2015 American Politics Thread: The 114th Congress Is in the House!

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we already hire foreigners to fight ISIS and we didn't even need to promise them citizenship

Mordy, Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

^^^

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

otm

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

Current standoff on tax issues where Republicans say that indexing the child tax credit so it increases in value with inflation is too expensive, but they want to maintain various corporate ones, and will only agree to phase them out if Dems drop the indexing request:

The tax package would phase out over five years a bonus depreciation tax break for corporations, which was intended as a short-term stimulus measure, and two provisions that benefit foreign corporations and American multinational corporations. Republicans wanted to make the corporate breaks permanent, but Democrats and the administration objected, especially given the recent controversy involving Pfizer and other corporations that have acquired foreign companies to relocate in countries with lower corporate taxes.

A tentative trade-off would have Republicans agreeing to the five-year phaseout of the corporate tax breaks they favor in return for Democrats dropping their insistence on indexing the child tax credit so it increases in value with inflation. But House Democrats, led by Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, have been insisting on indexing the child credit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/politics/lawmakers-near-deal-on-billions-in-tax-cuts.html

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

the pro-child, pro-family party

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link

@ggreenwald
Democratic Governor dismisses due process concerns about watchlists as "before attacks in Paris, and...California"

Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy believes his plan to use an executive order to prevent people on federal terror watchlists from buying guns could spread to other states with the help of a supportive White House, he said in an interview with BuzzFeed News.
And the Connecticut governor defended the use of the no-fly list and terror watchlist as a standard, as many Democrats, including President Obama, have in recent weeks — something that has disrupted frequent liberal skepticism toward those lists over the years.
“This has got to be subject to appeal or review, but I prefer that review take place before we sell a gun to someone on the list as opposed to after. It’s kind of common sense isn’t it?” Malloy told said in an interview Thursday afternoon.
Earlier in the day, the governor publicly announced his plan to add federal watchlists to the existing criteria state regulators use to deny a request for a gun permit, which is required for firearm purchase in Connecticut. The proposal, which he said is still in the formative stages and requires a federal sign-off, once again puts Malloy at the center of the gun control debate, though in a different way than when he helped guide some of the nation’s strictest gun regulations through the state legislature after Newtown.
That effort pit Malloy against the National Rifle Association. This time, he’s facing opposition from the NRA and other gun rights supporters from the right — but also on concerns about the watchlists themselves, concerns initially voiced during the Bush administration by liberals and libertarians alike....
“I’m a liberal, and I’m saying this,” Malloy said when pressed on left-leaning concerns about the lists. “So what you mean to say is, ‘some liberals say that.’”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/connecticut-governor-rejects-liberal-concerns-over-using-ter#.ceWEDPq17j

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 December 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

[n a case that could help demystify how the FBI deems somebody a terrorist threat, the American Civil Liberties Union argued in federal court Wednesday that the government has failed to comply with an earlier court order to tell people how they wound up on the "no-fly" list.

The case revolves around several Muslim Americans who say they were included on the list unfairly and denied a constitutional right to find out why. The government argues that explaining the process in open court would endanger national security

Bowen argued that the government had no obligation to tell people why they were placed on the list.

"Government is not required in name of due process to put its national security at risk," he said. "The plaintiffs' interest must necessarily give way."....The FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, which operates the list, won't reveal the evidence against those on the list, allow them to question witnesses or challenge the findings in court.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-1210-no-fly-list-20151210-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/10/denying-guns-to-terror-suspects-could-violate-fundamental-rights-a-top-democrat-pushes-back/

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 December 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

Here's another one of the "compromises" they are trying to work out on Capital Hill, where Dems always give more than they get

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/12/tell-congress-today-keep-crude-oil.html

Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.), top Democrat on the Environment and Public Works Committee, shrugged off environmentalist fears about trading conservation and renewables' benefits for oil exports. There is "division" among green groups over whether to cut a deal, she said in a brief interview. "I've heard environmentalists say this is a great opportunity; others say it's not," she said.

Any deal would also likely include some type of aid for refineries in the Northeast that have benefited from cheap domestic crude that cannot be exported currently. Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) said he said he is in discussions for an approach "to make whole American refineries that in many cases would simply go out of business" should exports be permitted.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters that oil exports were not objectionable enough to sink a possible deal on their own.

Ending the 1970s-era ban on exports, the year's top priority for the American Petroleum Institute, is "not where we want to go," Hoyer said. "But on the other hand, if there were substantial agreements by the Republicans on some things that we thought were very important, that might be something" to consider during the budget talks.
Among the perps are some of the solar companies, who would get a small benefit for themselves from a Democratic "compromise."

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

Paul Ryan, Secret Muslim: http://theslot.jezebel.com/wow-paul-ryan-really-should-have-known-better-1747571663

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Friday, 11 December 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

why would anyone want to work in politics

Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 December 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

the sweet digs

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/house-republicans-bill-to-ruin-john-boehners-retirement?mbid=social_facebook

nelson_laugh.wav

j., Saturday, 12 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

still wondering how this will turn out...negotiations ongoing

Making the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit permanent has been a priority for Democrats in negotiations. While the Child Tax Credit is in the extenders package, Pelosi wants it to be indexed, meaning its benefits will rise with inflation -- something Republicans haven’t been responsive on.

Another sticking point is the sheer size of the tax extenders package, which could cost upwards of $700 billion over the next decade. Republicans are also pushing hard to include a measure that would lift a 40-year-old ban on crude oil exports to the tax deal.

“Lifting the ban on oil and all the money that that means for the oil industry, while they can’t index for children, it’s just, it’s too big,” Pelosi said. “It’s unfair, and it does not have the support of House Democrats.”

While the White House doesn't want Congress touching crude oil exports, it is involved in negotiations to ensure anti-environmental riders are stripped and that other priorities for Democrats are met in exchange. The administration hasn't threatened a veto of the extenders bill if oil exports are attached. Republicans in the House have enough votes to attach it to the extenders bill even without Democratic support. The president would likely sign the bill despite House Democrats' opposition.

“I made it clear, don’t count on our votes for that,” Pelosi said. “We will not be accomplices.”

Still, Pelosi indicated she wouldn't stand in the way of the tax deal as long as Republicans bring it to the floor separately from the omnibus bill, adding she didn't want to have anything to do with the tax bill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-tax-extenders_566b0239e4b0f290e522eecd

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link

god this bowe bergdahl thing.

lute bro (brimstead), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link

Some army general apparently ignored the advice given him by a committee of inquiry to confine the charges against bergdahl to misdemeanors. Hard to see how this reflects well on his judgment.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 02:21 (eight years ago) link

Koch brothers ...


The political operation created by the billionaire conservative mega-donors Charles and David Koch is quietly investing millions of dollars in programs to win over an unlikely demographic target for their brand of small-government conservatism ― poor people.

The outreach includes everything from turkey giveaways, GED training and English-language instruction for Hispanic immigrants to community holiday meals and healthy living classes for predominantly African American groups to vocational training and couponing classes for the under-employed. The strategy, according to sources familiar with it and documents reviewed by POLITICO, calls for presenting a more compassionate side of the brothers’ politics to new audiences, while fighting the perception that their groups are merely fronts for rich Republicans seeking to game the political process for personal gain.

The efforts include a healthy dose of proselytizing about free enterprise and how it can do more than government to lift people out of poverty.

“We want people to know that they can earn their own success. They don’t need the government to give it to them,” Koch network official Jennifer Stefano told activists and donors during an August rally in Columbus, Ohio, at which she introduced one such project, Bridge to Wellbeing

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/charles-david-koch-poverty-charity-216631#ixzz3uOt7lrEa

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link

there was a little TPM thing about that politico article, yesterday:

The reporter also got one of the Kochs' top lieutenants to concede that one additional benefit of the plan is to help secure Koch Inc's tax status with the IRS as a nominally educational and charitable organization ...

“Sometimes, we have not been as good at explaining the virtues of economic freedom and individual liberty to people who are struggling,” said Americans for Prosperity’s president Tim Phillips. He also conceded that AFP Foundation’s Bridge to Wellbeing initiative helps satisfy an Internal Revenue Service requirement that the group focus its spending on educational or charitable purposes, not political or policy advocacy. “Part of it is we are a social welfare organization. And, so, yes, we do try to help folks live more prosperous lives. That’s not related to direct policy.”

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link

May they succeed at feeding poor people, and fail at converting them into conservatives.

medley of extemporanea (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link

Here's a political bombshell. Shrewd move too.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

That's some modern day Nixon Goes to China plotting.

pplains, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link

Also don't ever change, Fla: Florida senators defend maps as ‘free of political taint’

pplains, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link

the Cuban Immigrant Work Opportunity Act of 2015

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link

My congressman too!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link

At first I was like oh, he wants Cuba to be considered a peer, trade normalized, so people would no longer be refugees

But no, it's no refugees AND lock out Cubans

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link

what is your take on it?

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link

He's right. Thanks to the Cold War, Cubans have been the beneficiaries of the most generous refugee policy in the country's history. And there's an awful lot of fraud (the Sun Sentinel wrote a multi part story a few months ago you should look up). With the Cold War gone, the policy's up for revision.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link

actually, he's only looking at eliminating the no-questions-asked access to welfare. They can still apply for residency after 366 days.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link

That seems reasonable, but combining it with hardening the relationship with Cuba seems counterproductive?

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 02:54 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/676960982690832385

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 03:11 (eight years ago) link

No real surprise here...

The child-tax credit, earned-income tax credit and a college-tuition credit would all get extended indefinitely at their current levels, without the indexing to inflation some Democrats had sought.

.... Republicans hailed the deal as an important step toward the overhaul of the tax code that they've been trying to work toward since they won the House majority in the 2010 election. By making many of these breaks permanent now, Republicans wouldn't need to change them if they want to keep them or could use the revenue from repealing them later to lower tax rates.

Democrats, including House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland, warned that the bill would hurt the country's finances by adding to the budget deficit.

"Tax cuts, like everything else, have a cost," Mr. Hoyer said. "And if we fail to pay for them, we will once again increase deficits and debt, which in turn will be used as the catalyst for another round of cuts to the very programs I believe are vital to our economy and to our people

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/us-bill-would-revive-dozens-of-tax-breaks-20151216-00440#ixzz3uUfAaX1L

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link

The measure, poised to pass the House and Senate as soon as this week, would break Congress' habit of extending lapsed tax breaks retroactively and then setting the next expiration date just weeks or months ahead.

But there are plenty of winners, including large manufacturers, small businesses, restaurants and labor unions, which would all get tax breaks they have been seeking for years. Lawmakers plan to combine the tax bill with a $1.15 trillion spending bill, creating a giant end-of-year fiscal deal that will create certainty for businesses and taxpayers--as long as it doesn't collapse under its own weight.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link

I've read a welter of confusing material about this omnibus bill. The NYT this morning said labor unions are pissed at the delay of some of those Obamacare taxes.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link

I saw a shorthand summary that read - Dems got the spending budget bill they wanted, and Republicans got the tax bill they wanted

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link

Actually seems almost reasonable, since the deficit is pretend.

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link

yeah, but in a few years everyone will suddenly get concerned about it again as old white guys in revolutionary war uniforms stand beneath traffic lights by shuttered blockbuster video stores begging the true patriots to force the government to tighten the nation's collective belt, and then somehow the only way out of it will be to implement spending cuts to try to match the tax cuts. it's the circle of life

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link

Republicans apparently dropped most of their environmental riders in exchange for Dems agreeing to the oil industry/Republican request drop 40 year ban on oil exports, plus a few other little things

The deal would lift the ban, a priority for Republicans and the oil industry, and at the same time adopt environmental and renewable measures that Democrats sought. These include extending and then phasing down wind and solar-tax credits; reauthorizing for three years a conservation fund; and excluding any measures that block major Obama administration environmental regulations

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/deal-to-lift-oilexport-ban-comes-with-environmental-concessions-20151216-00548#ixzz3uVRFh1Fm

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

Republican strategy: propose lots and lots of extreme things, drop a few of them, and then say they compromised

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

any decent country wd stop this particular thing

http://fortune.com/2015/12/12/dow-dupont-corporate-research-america/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link

please feel free to ask me questions about that particular cluster on 77

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link

any decent country wd stop this particular thing

http://fortune.com/2015/12/12/dow-dupont-corporate-research-america/

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not impossible that this country will. It happens from time to time with mergers.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link

short version would be that there will be three companies, the stockholders who demand year-over-year profit gains in businesses that are cyclical or rely on long-term research pipelines (you don't have the best returns this year, they cut your budget on a project that could be groundbreaking but takes 5 - 10 years) will be appeased as the risk will be shunted into one of the three companies

afaik both current companies have problems that aren't R&D-related in that they have several unrelated fields under the same umbrella, and any one of the fields in their portfolio faring poorly during the year means they punish everyone

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link

but yeah, large corporate R&D in the chemical and material science field from publicly held companies is getting screwed in the market at large

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link

thx; didn't catch on in 77!

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link

I will say no more, corporate overlords, etc etc

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/shkreli-fraud-charges.html?action=click&contentCollection=Books&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

Martin Shkreli, a pharmaceutical entrepreneur and former hedge fund manager who has been widely criticized for drug price gouging, was arrested Thursday morning by the federal authorities.

The investigation, in which Mr. Shkreli has been charged with securities fraud, is related to his time as a hedge fund manager and running the biopharmaceutical company Retrophin — not the price-gouging controversy that has swirled around him

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

@Reuters
BREAKING: San Bernardino shooters did not post support for jihad on social media: FBI

@ggreenwald
Reminder that believing whatever the government claims, laundered by the media, is bad for your intellectual health

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link

yeah it wasn't social media it was just private messaging (why does anyone think this matters)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link

because if it was on public social media rather than in private messages, it would be much more likely to be discovered when processing her visa paperwork

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link

i thought the claim was that she pledged allegiance to ISIS on social media while the attack was ongoing, which would be long after her visa paperwork was approved

Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

handling assault weapons and your iPhone simultaneously is pretty adroit

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link

Oh, was it? I honestly have not been closely following the details of all of this due to fatigue.

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link


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