This is comprehensive and incomprehensible: http://screenrant.com/star-wars-journey-force-awakens-guide/
― schwantz, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
I definitely spent a lot of time trying to recreate these spaceships with my legos. I think the only ones I managed to do reasonable well were Tie Fighters.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
https://lightsaber.withgoogle.com/experience
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
so how big is Adam Driver's lightsaber?
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link
EU?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link
The more I think about it, the more I realize that the spaceships and other vehicles in those movies (AT-ATs, etc.) were the main thing that I liked about them.
the character and technology design of the original trilogy is nonpareil -- completely stunning -- i think people who dismiss these films think these things aren't important. but it all depends on how you look at it!
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link
the world-building of the og trilogy is still pretty mindblowing even now, it's so immersive
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
the character and technology design of the original trilogy is nonpareil
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
lol i was picturing that too
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
One small bit in TESB I've always liked: after the Imperial troops have entered the Hoth bunker and Vader leads the way and the scene builds to the possibility of his and the gang's interacting but it doesn't come. It's the kind of small but essential storytelling touch that Kershner had that Lucas didn't.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
xxxp tried four times, gave up.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
i was intrigued by Kasdan saying he went off w/ Kershner to do his draft of the script. We forget that WGA credits and who wrote what don't often match up.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
I'm sure this was posted way up thread but just in case any ship geeks missed it
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1NEKrnWO--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/xe0yjmmjhdedgykt0a1j.jpg
http://imgur.com/gallery/Zt9Y4
(massive gallery of models from the OT)
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
i was intrigued by Kasdan saying he went off w/ Kershner to do his draft of the script. We forget that WGA credits and who wrote what don't often match up.― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's a good rule of thumb to presume that, credit or no, a director had a lot to do w/ shaping a film's narrative. unless one has evidence to the contrary.
leigh brackett's credit is widely viewed as a courtesy. i haven't read her draft (which is out there) but most people suggest it doesn't have a ton to do w/ what eventually became 'empire'.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
The world building in Star Wars is definitely the main thing of it from the point of film history. For better or for worse. At some point 'amazingly build world' became 'hodgepodge of marketing posibilities'...
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link
heh, that point was in 1977 (or before)!
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link
i mean star wars was always about marketing! i don't think it's particularly cynical, either -- the marketing possibilities just dovetail with the world-building ambitions.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
Perhaps not, but the wave it began became plenty cynical...
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
grownups say that now
i'll remember those toys fondly thank u v much
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link
a director had a lot to do w/ shaping a film's narrative.
there are entire eras and settings of commercial filmmaking where this is not true
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
"grownups say that now
i'll remember those toys fondly thank u v much"
exactly. it's easy to get disgusted by the amount of tie in marketing these days, but these things made my life so much more livable in the late 70's. I can't even imagine life without my action figures when I was 7.
― akm, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYyuo7gm-aQ
― akm, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
a director had a lot to do w/ shaping a film's narrative.there are entire eras and settings of commercial filmmaking where this is not true― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 4:06 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 4:06 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, it depends... it's true of a lot of classical-era directors, and probably most contemporary hollywood directors.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:15 (eight years ago) link
are we gonna mention Victor Fleming again
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
(I am never seeing this movie in case anyone was wondering)`― Οὖτις, Monday, December 14, 2015 2:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Monday, December 14, 2015 2:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
in case anyone was wondering:
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― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link
<3 Οὖτις
lol
― how's life, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
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― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
WINNER
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― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:04 (eight years ago) link
looool
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
so i'm watching this 'despecialized edition' of SW and while it's amazing it seems to me (having recently seen a 35mm print from the film's original release) that it does retain some of the revisions (audio and video) made to the film since the 1990s.,
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
Ha. I was just thinking earlier today that I sure know an awful lot about Star Wars for someone with so little interest in the new movie.
― Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:24 (eight years ago) link
xpost There are a bunch of 'despecialized' editions out there. There's at least one super-anal version that does try, as much as possible, to restore it to the original theatrical version.
― Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
There's at least one super-anal version that does try, as much as possible, to restore it to the original theatrical version.
that's the one I got; the one that got all the press = Harmy's Despecialized Edition. 17 GB! it looks great, but i'm not convinced that it looks and sounds like a 1977/78 version of the film. (which is complicated since there were at least three different sound mixes for the film's first release.)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link
in the print i saw recently, the early scenes on tatooine (sp?) were beautifully grainy -- almost foggy. like they were shot with a really, really long lens. some of that seems to be gone in all the video versions i've seen.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
also the original shot of the death star exploding (in slight slo-mo) is lovely.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link
I'm totally bringing a bong to this
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link
Didn't they release the original theatrical cut as a bonus disc on DVD a decade or so ago?
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link
Yes but it was a shit transfer ripped from the 90s laserdiscs
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:31 (eight years ago) link
Still worth it to not see A NEW HOPE in the crawl
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:32 (eight years ago) link
yeah but
1) it's non-anamorphic2) very soft and blurry (taken from old laserdisc transfer to which a bunch of cheap early-90s "digital noise reduction" had been applied)3) has "ghosting" and other analog video artefacts4) has all kinds of audio problems beyond that5) IIRC it uses 1985 sound re-mix prepared for first VHS release, not 1977 (or even 1981) sound mixes (mono or stereo or Dolby surround)
(there's a wikipedia page that documents all this in more detail than probably any of us care to read about)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:33 (eight years ago) link
xpost
It was more of a fuck you than not including it IMO
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:33 (eight years ago) link
i mean, i know, it's easy to make fun of this type of anality, but if you're using STAR WARS to, say, teach the history of visual effects and sound design, it matters to actually have something that resembles the original release.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
It was more of a fuck you than not including it IMO― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:33 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:33 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
huh?
That Lucas deliberately 'caved' to OG fans by including the original cuts in less than desirable quality
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:35 (eight years ago) link
Ie "ok you get it but I pissed all over it first"
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
oh, i see.
it occurs to me that the very perfectionism that led STAR WARS to become a landmark in visual effects (and it still really dazzles on that score) is what led lucas to constantly re-work the damn thing (albeit with much lower quality control).
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
i suspect that most of the parts of harmy's that don't include restored original fx are just from the se blu-rays-- iirc there is a visible change in the quality (used neutrally) of the image when it cuts to e.g. the landspeeder. could be wrong. those things are treasures tho.
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:44 (eight years ago) link