Star Wars 7 shit talk

Foster the People
Cage the Elephant
Jabba the Hutt

iirc the hutts are both a species and a crime syndicate, so it's almost like a title

having every member of a species be a crime lord is kind of o_O but hey, it's star wars. they also have a planet/race that is 99% banking

It has kind of a gangster movie sound to it. Like 'The Turk' in Godfather.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hutt_Clan

The Hutt Clan, also known as the Hutt Cartel and sometimes simply as the Hutts, was one of the most powerful crime families in the galaxy around the time of the Clone Wars. It was governed by the Grand Hutt Council, whose members were the heads of the five Hutt families which ruled over a number of systems, known as Hutt Space.

the uh, five families, huh

Ah, chicaboog noon-eeg, Corleone. Tah keeng sa leeng ah pak mugglah

According to film historian Laurent Bouzereau, Jabba the Hutt's death in Return of the Jedi was suggested by script writer Lawrence Kasdan. Lucas decided Leia should strangle him with her slave chain. He was inspired by a scene from The Godfather (1972) where an obese character named Luca Brasi (Lenny Montana) is garroted by an assassin.[47]

the five Hutt families which ruled over a number of systems, known as Hutt Space.

And here I thought Queen only made one album about adventures in space.

A+

https://twitter.com/jakefogelnest/status/676285530946977796

Nice.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ff/ba/16/ffba16d8f2e2d5ed1626088d7a49796e.jpg

there's a Truman Capote Hutt in the Clone Wars show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIALpfq8p8

(George's idea)

i'm starting to feel a little bad for the prequels

The what now?

I'm sure that the people in charge of determining the new canon deliberated long and hard about the inclusion of the prequels.

"determining the new canon"

reaching for my revolver

look out everyone, morbs has a hand canon

i'm with morbs on this; just the sound of that phrase gives me hives

also this movie is destined to be underwhelming (to anyone, like me, who isn't in this for the long haul of endless sequels, spin-offs, spandrels, etc.) b/c of its need to jumpstart a franchise. whatever world-building thoughts lucas may have had in his head in 1975–77, he couldn't have had much expectation that he'd be allowed to make any more films*, and so the first film was designed to be satisfying on its own.

i mean i guess you could argue that the whole franchise thing is just a more literal version of the thing that hollywood does, according to christian metz et al, which is to satisfy that urge to scratch an itch but not so much that the itch is gone.

*in an alternate universe, the first STAR WARS flopped and lucas devoted the rest of his career to writing comic books elaborating on the universe he had created. in 2015 those comics are collected in a handsome hardcover edition by fantagraphics publishing.

in the alternate universe, AVClub has a WATCH THIS column dedicated to this underseen sci-fi curiosity that starred the daughter of debbie reynolds and--get this--alec guinness of all people.

also this movie is destined to be underwhelming (to anyone, like me, who isn't in this for the long haul of endless sequels, spin-offs, spandrels, etc.) b/c of its need to jumpstart a franchise.

I'm not "in it for the long haul" I just wanna watch this one movie and see how I actually feel about it?

why the question mark?

i wasn't addressing you much less attacking you; i didn't even notice your posts.

They (like practically everyone who's trying to make an expansive, multi-tiered movie franchise) are probably overshooting with the multiple spin-offs etc. I mean, in this case, they'll probably do fine business-wise but it kinda dilutes the special-ness of these movies being a once-in-a-while thing. We've previously had six movies over the span of almost 40 years (at least half of which were not well-loved by many) and we're on track to double that number within the next probably five years or so? Seems...unwise.

why the question mark?

I just talk that way, it's annoying probably

i wasn't addressing you much less attacking you; i didn't even notice your posts.

I didn't think you were addressing me or attacking me specifically. I just felt you were creating a dichotomy between true believers and everyone else, and that everyone else will be underwhelmed ... and by a movie none of us have seen yet except maybe some of the film goons.

I bored to shit with the whole Marvel thing, even though I was super inboard at the beginning. That definitely feeds into my hesitation on the new trilogy-plus angle.

metal hand we see in the trailers probably isn't even luke, it's Iron Man.

and that everyone else will be underwhelmed ...

it's just a hypothesis

it's just a hypothesis

and it very well could be correct!

Vader: Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny! Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son! Come with me. It is the only way.
[Luke lets go of the projection and falls into the shaft]
Vader: Luke, it's just a hypothesis.

I still love the whole Marvel thing but the way they're structuring their movies/shows makes sense because it's a reflection of how those stories were told in their original medium. Every other impending attempt at constructing a cinematic universe (yes, even DC's, given that their decisions thus far indicate the absence of a strong guiding hand) seems like folly to me.

i get that the hype is annoying but it kinda bums me out that ppl are actively rooting for disappointment

*clutches chewbacca hoodie*

Seems...unwise.

it's bizarre, it's like they're committed to extracting profit from their resources as voluminously as possible regardless of that level of extraction's sustainability or effects on the atmosphere

I'm not campaigning for disappointment. I'm skeptical of my own attention span.

I'm curious to see how much this makes. Guardians of the Galaxy and Jurassic World both were surprisingly (to me) record-book huge. Then again, this one doesn't have Chris Pratt in it.

I still love the whole Marvel thing but the way they're structuring their movies/shows makes sense because it's a reflection of how those stories were told in their original medium.

This could work well for Star Wars too given the Flash Gordon influence.

that was lucas' original idea i think-- his real original idea, not the 9-part campbellian saga he pretty quickly retconned it to. he expected a lot of spinoffs from different people: compare his relative distance from empire, as if when it began it were just another episode, to his micromanagement of jedi.

no, sorry, forget that about empire/jedi. the idea early on tho, mid-70s, was for an infinite serial; by 78 lucas was promising a twelve-movie series to be completed in 2001, which just meant "a lot of movies" i think.

then he "cut that number down to nine because the other three were tangential to the saga", uh-huh.

I distinctly remember Lucas babbling about eight more movies between Empire and Jedi.

babbling b/w 1980 and 1983 about those eight more movies, that is

his heart and his best intentions still tell him that's true

dlh, you're going to find that a lot of the dates we discuss depend on our point of view

a certain point of view?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoAPSBMQEKU

I think I'd uh like to remind you that Obi Wan Kenobi didn't have a degree in Jedi mind control

http://f.cl.ly/items/3p2p0g3h1x2K3t0x3Y2a/IMG_3708.JPG

er, really? how is that??

the reviews i've read thus far (just a few!) suggest that, plot-wise, the new one is a reshuffling of the 1977 film -- a crypto-remake

(see e.g. http://variety.com/2015/film/reviews/star-wars-review-the-force-awakens-1201661978/)

c'mon amateurist, school me in 15/70 format and how that shows "40% more of the image"

xp It's not at all. The elements are unmistakenly there, but like.. the death star feels like a minor detail in the film. And it never once felt like it was matching beats with ANH. They've got some of the same textures, but this felt like its own movie. I mean that honestly - I'd be the first to admit it if was a copy, partly because I thought that sounded like a pretty good idea. But it was never something I thought of while watching it, even having read about it earlier today.

Movie's pretty great and Daisy Ridley is GREAT and her and Boyega are basically super castings, bringing joy and humanity to every scene.