if we are going to start targeting people based on Facebook posts a whole lot of people are going to jail
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
kind of amazing we have the NSA and PRISM and vast overreach of our privacy and yet Homeland Security forgot to look at Facebook, perhaps the single largest public database of information
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link
adam i feel like these two impulses of yours: targeting ppl based on fb posts is wrong and why isn't the NSA better at targeting ppl based on fb posts, are mutually exclusive complaints.
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
raising taxes on the rich fucks would flush our security coffers with cash. if a ragtag chump group like ISIS is a threat then we need 90% on the top bracket at least to catch up
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
"San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik sent at least two private messages on Facebook to a small group of Pakistani friends in 2012 and 2014, pledging her support for Islamic jihad and saying she hoped to join the fight one day, two top federal law enforcement officials said Monday.The new details indicate U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies missed warnings on social media that Malik was a potential threat before she entered the United States on a K-1 fiancee visa in July 2014."
The new details indicate U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies missed warnings on social media that Malik was a potential threat before she entered the United States on a K-1 fiancee visa in July 2014."
this isn't talking about facebook "posts", it's talking about private messages. so i don't understand...is there outrage that NSA didn't read their private messages??
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
just trying to reconcile an all-encompassing surveillance state targeting life threatening terrorist that forgets to check the most basic thing that gets looked at if you apply for a job.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
private messages?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
xxp: essentially yes, because initial reporting made it seem like these were sent as public posts rather than private messages
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
it's one thing to criticize them for not combing through publicly shared facebook posts, but...they were private (according to the LA times thing morbs posted. I haven't been following this closely so sorry if they were actually public facebook posts or I'm missing something blindingly obvious). and if they did read their private messages, before Malik entered on a Visa, that would also mean that they would have to read EVERYONE's private messages. so...uh, no outrage from me.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
I don't think the NSA should be allowed to read everyone's private FB messages but they should be allowed to read the private FB messages of people who are going to do terrorism, sorry that's just how I feel.
― Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link
sir, you have my vote
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
anyone can do terrorism, it's very democratic that way
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
the presidential huoynhms instantly converted it to "they were announcing jihad on Facebook"
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
(or however Swift spelled it)
xpostbut the criticism is that they didn't catch her private messages sent BEFORE they granted the visa, right? so the thought process would have to be "OK, we have a visa application...let me go ahead and read her private messages to check for terrorism" unless they had another reason to believe that she could be involved in terrorism.
Why didn't they read Malik's diary entry from 2007 before giving her a Visa? She laid out her evil intentions in there, as well as which boys are supercute
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
do they still ask "are u gonna do a terrorism?" on the visa form? we should double check
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
do you swear you're not a terrorist? do you swear that you're not crossing your fingers behind your back as you complete this form?AND YOUR TOES!?!??!
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
yeah it wasn't social media it was just private messaging (why does anyone think this matters)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is going to be used as an argument for government access to encrypted communication
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/03P6ZV5.jpg
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
i answered all their riddles
and ironically i posted a screenshot of my answers on facebook
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
Obama and Clinton leading the pack
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
looking forward to the gov't demanding access to plans scribbled on cocktail napkins
― nomar, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
But what about the things that people just think about scribbling on cocktail napkins? There has to be a way for them to tap into those thoughts, as well, or we'll never be safe.
― Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
you joke but El-Al asks questions like that all the time
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link
that screenshot i posted is from USCIS form I-140, Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link
doesnt el al interrogate the shit out of you at customs?
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link
I mean not me bc my name is Mordechai and I wear a yarmulke but yes
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
A Brooklyn couple discussed their El Al interrogation at a Hanukkah party I went to last weekend. "Do you go to temple? Why not?" He's a secular Jew, she's Gentile; she advised him to play it cool, she wound up losing her temper at them.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
an argument for government access to encrypted communication
lol like they don't already have this
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah, I think even the US re-entry form has something akin to "did you talk to some terrorists?"
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
they don't have a "back door," is their story? xp
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
take it to the gay thread, champ
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
there aren't any backdoors to major encryption software, the main "side door" to a lot of corporate authentication tokens was discovered (the encryption was good but the key generation was bad) and no one uses RSA tokens anymore
the majority of things people think are "encrypted" really aren't, though, or you can be legally compelled to provide access. so no, the government likely has no real way to break good encryption now, but nobody who has been a threat has actually used any encryption worth mentioning
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
mh u are my hero
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
if The Fort and The Feebs had reliable ways of cracking encryption their bosses probably wouldn't spend quite so much time bitching and whining about it in public
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
Tomboto u are also my hero
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link
they're gonna have to waterboard me to find out "w33ab00bs" is my password
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
our government probably already has a back window they can secretly crawl though. they just want to use a door because they're getting fat
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 17 December 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
Discussion re Paris terrorists and encrypted messages
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-terrorists-used-whatsapp-telegram-plot-attacks-according-investigators-1533880
Officials involved in the investigation of the Paris terror attacks have revealed they believe some of the terrorists used encrypted apps WhatsApp and Telegram to plot and communicate.
.....Those close to the investigation state "the apps were used in communication among the terrorists" – however exactly what was said may never be known as the encryption is impossible to crack. The terrorists also frequently swapped out sim cards in their mobile phones to avoid surveillance.
However some unencrypted data was recovered from at least one mobile phone, where the user may have slipped up and used a different form of communication. The investigation continues as officials attempt to string together further clues.
The news the terrorists used encrypted messaging apps to operate will strengthen the case for governments who are currently fighting tech companies with court orders to allow them access to data. Apple's iMessage and WhatsApp (owned by Facebook) are just two platforms that offer encryption even they cannot decipher.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 18 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
the presidential huoynhms
footnote: the huoyhnhnms were the noble ones; the yahoos were the filthy, smelly, disgusting creatures.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 18 December 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
you know i realized my mistake about an hour later and forgot to change it; thx
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 December 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link
the NYT added an editor's note to their original story on Malik's use of "social media":
Editors’ Note: December 18, 2015 The original version of this article, based on accounts from law enforcement officials, reported that Tashfeen Malik had “talked openly on social media” about her support for violent jihad.On Wednesday, however, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that online communications about jihad by Ms. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, involved “direct, private messages.” His remarks indicated that the comments about jihad were not made in widely accessible social media posts.Law enforcement officials subsequently told The Times that Ms. Malik communicated with her husband in emails and private messages, and on a dating site. Ms. Malik’s comments to Mr. Farook about violent jihad were made on a messaging platform, officials said. Neither Mr. Comey nor other officials identified the specific platforms that were used. (This article and headline have been revised to reflect the new information.)
On Wednesday, however, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that online communications about jihad by Ms. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, involved “direct, private messages.” His remarks indicated that the comments about jihad were not made in widely accessible social media posts.
Law enforcement officials subsequently told The Times that Ms. Malik communicated with her husband in emails and private messages, and on a dating site. Ms. Malik’s comments to Mr. Farook about violent jihad were made on a messaging platform, officials said. Neither Mr. Comey nor other officials identified the specific platforms that were used. (This article and headline have been revised to reflect the new information.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html
― Karl Malone, Friday, 18 December 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/12/28/deep-south-4/
Other factors add to the difficulty of the poor finding work. Those who can’t afford to live in city centers often must depend on walking, hitching rides or laborious public transportation commutes. A 2011 Brookings Institution report ranking public transit in the nation’s 100 largest metro areas found that 15 of the weakest 20 systems — judged by coverage and job access — were in the South. They included systems in Birmingham, Ala.; Greenville, S.C.; Baton Rouge; and Atlanta — where, in earlier decades, majority-white suburbs voted against the expansion of a transit system they viewed as being primarily for black residents.
The lack of physical mobility feeds into the deeper but related problem of economic immobility: Areas throughout the South — and Atlanta in particular — provide among the lowest chances that someone born into poverty will move up the income ladder.
Over the past 20 years, Atlanta’s wealthiest areas, spread along the north of the city, have changed little. But formerly middle-class suburbs to the south — areas of modest single-family homes — have been deluged by newcomers who lost homes as city officials dismantled dozens of housing projects in the hopes of reducing concentrated poverty. Experts who have studied Atlanta’s economic geography say the change has been partly successful; class no longer changes so clearly between neighborhoods, but meanwhile, the poor — given modest vouchers to help subsidize their housing costs — must head far from the city to find places they can afford.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link
http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com/president-barack-obama-just-tell-him-you-re-the-president
― Mordy, Thursday, 31 December 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
"centrist" POS Steve Israel, D-NY, not running for House reelection
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
but don't fuss, Debbie endures
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41011/debbie-wasserman-schultz-abortion/
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link
I gotta say, Obama was at his best in yesterday's town hall:
"I'm sorry, Cooper, yes," the President laughed. "It is fair to call it a conspiracy. Are you suggesting the notion that we are creating a plot to take everybody's guns away so we can impose martial law is not a conspiracy? Yes, that is a conspiracy. I would hope that you would agree with that." President Obama then turned the question back on Cooper, asking, "Is that controversial?" "There are certainly a lot of people who just have a fundamental distrust that you do not want to go further and further and further," Cooper countered. Incredulous, Obama reminded everyone that he's only going to be in office another year. "When would I have started on this enterprise?" he asked.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:01 (eight years ago) link
lol yes
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link
nu thread for a nu year of the s.o.s.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:07 (eight years ago) link