Star Wars 7 shit talk

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Careful, this is the non-spoiler thread.

jmm, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link

Those posts are kinda spoilery. I'm going to delete them and c&p them to the spoilers thread.

how's life, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link

yes i am looking forward to going through that in a few days. keep it non-spoilery here plz!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link

Mentioned it already, but I do think Guardians of the Galaxy captured the Star Wars vibe maybe better, though perhaps because it is crossed with Indiana Jones.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link

I disagree, I think GotG was stealing from the best while trying to stay in a category unto itself. In retrospect the choice of a pop soundtrack was extremely wise.

I'm just hoping Daisy Ridley gets to have a better post-trilogy career than Mark Hamill did.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link

Haven't seen it, do want to, can imagine it being a better film even though TFA was basically everything I wanted it to be... but capturing the vibe better? Than a film that has the same characters, actors and story, look & feel, and co-writer? Xp

ledge, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link

'jupiter ascending' and 'the martian' each in their own way captured the 'star wars' vibe better than 'guardians of the galaxy' did imho but neither anywhere near as well as 'the force awakens'

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:24 (eight years ago) link

jupiter ascending was horrendous and made me fall asleep

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link

you missed all the good parts

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:41 (eight years ago) link

I got as far as the first action scene with Tatum "air skating"

Number None, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link

Guardians of the Galaxy is a better movie than The Force Awakens, but I wouldn't necessarily call it more star warsy... For one thing, the sort of pop cultural references and absurdist humour it's loaded with aren't really a Star Wars thing at all, SW is more po-faced. But I do admit that GotG was better capturing the sense of wonder in seeing weird-looking aliens, surreal cosmic environments and cool ships, which is a pretty essential part of space opera. TFA was pretty low-key in that department, at least compared to the original trilogy, which was full of that stuff.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link

I'd say GotG's most obvious influence is not Star Wars but Fifth Element, when it comes to humour and characterization. Also, they're both saturated with bright primary colours, whereas SW is a more subdued.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 22:56 (eight years ago) link

TFA was pretty low-key in that department, at least compared to the original trilogy, which was full of that stuff.

Hardly fair to compare one film with three.

ledge, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link

A New Hope has less of it than Force Awakens, arguably. Greedo, the Jawas, Chewie, a few shots of cantina folk ... that's about it.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:12 (eight years ago) link

And Jedi? Only Jabba's palace (a feast of weirdness, admittedly), and Ewoks.

ledge, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:16 (eight years ago) link

ACKBAR

Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link

but capturing the vibe better? Than a film that has the same characters, actors and story, look & feel, and co-writer?

I think so, yeah. Not in a bad way, really. I'm on the record liking the new one fine if thinking it was sort of low-stakes, but the vibe was a little too careful and proficient for me, like it was moving fast because it had to, not because the story/adventure/action was propelling it forward; I don't recall and of the OT having (what felt like) such a long lull in the middle as TFA. Guardians of the Galaxy (which I went into thinking would be terrible) I still say felt like a cross between Star Wars and Indiana Jones, more-so than something like Fifth Element, though I agree the pop-culture stuff and self-awareness gave it a bit of an advantage. I also felt Guardians had better emotional beats, too, but again, unfair advantage of surprise and freshness, etc..

As much as I wish I could recall just how it felt to see Star Wars in late 1977 when I was around three - amazingly it is my earliest memory - I can't, not quite (though I remember Empire and Jedi as a kid just fine). But I do have a couple of youngish kids, and both seemed to have a better time with Guardians than this one, too (while still liking both, more or less). But yeah, that may be because this one is sort of hampered by design to err on the side of drama and seriousness and mythology rather than silliness and world-building.

Being able to act definitely works in Ridley's favor, though to be fair, Hamill has done really well as a voice actor.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link

GotG was also pulling from Kirby's Cosmic Debris, whereas SW has far more Japanese mythic vibes.

Both are ultimately rooted in 20th-C pop sci-fi/space opera, but they seem slightly orthogonal

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link

Does that mean they need braces?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link

Hamill was dope on Wing Commander 3

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 24 December 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link

i'm amused you guys like the space raccoon movie yet trash Return of the Jedi for Ewok reasons.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 December 2015 05:12 (eight years ago) link

i like those Ewok movies

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 December 2015 07:04 (eight years ago) link

it's where Star Wars should have gone, more space fantasy, not that dumb bureaucratic senate stuff

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 December 2015 07:05 (eight years ago) link

i'm amused you guys like the space raccoon movie yet trash Return of the Jedi for Ewok reasons.

Who is trashing Return Of The Jedi for Ewok reasons ITT?

glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 24 December 2015 07:25 (eight years ago) link

The Ewoks aren't really that bad. Jedi is the weakest of the OG trilogy but still great. Just a bit of an anti climactic end due to the Stormtroopers being unusually pathetic even by their own standards

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 24 December 2015 09:41 (eight years ago) link

I've never understood the Ewok hate, of course a family friendly space movie should have some cute aliens! And Ewoks aren't even a particularly egregious or sugary example of that; remember that they try to eat the heroes in their introductory scene! Okay, them beating the Stormtroopers is a bit silly, but "old tech is better than new" is an essential trope in movies like this, the lightsabers work on the same principle.

Tuomas, Thursday, 24 December 2015 10:02 (eight years ago) link

And Mark Hamill's voice roles (Ozai, Joker, etc) and his recent reprisal of The Trickster (essentially a cross between Joker and The Riddler) in the new Flash have made me realize he's much better at playing scenery-chewing villains than straight-faced heroes. So I'm hoping for an Evil Luke twist in Episode VIII.

Tuomas, Thursday, 24 December 2015 10:07 (eight years ago) link

"in the live-action Flash series"

Tuomas, Thursday, 24 December 2015 10:09 (eight years ago) link

Whoa! I did not know that Hamill voiced Ozai.

how's life, Thursday, 24 December 2015 10:33 (eight years ago) link

Guardians of the Galaxy was nicely designed, but a lot of that bro comedy fell flat on its ass. Chris Pratt is so charmless. Kind've a weak film, for me.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 24 December 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/bYzsCbd.jpg

, Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link

Guardians of the Galaxy was nicely designed, but a lot of that bro comedy fell flat on its ass. Chris Pratt is so charmless. Kind've a weak film, for me.

― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:21 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I really have no desire to ever watch that movie again. And I really liked it.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link

isn't that noodle vague on the left hanging out with harrison there.

ewok talk reminds me that i believe the first star wars film i ever saw was caravan of courage, i think for quite some time i didn't even know that ewoks were a star wars thing.

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link

lol at guy doing the look at the hole thing with his left hand

Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 December 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link

Is that Sergio Mendes?

stupid children forever (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 24 December 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link

btw, i saw this movie with two old high school friends while i was home for the holidays, maybe the only way I was gonna see it in theaters. coincidentally, we saw it on the day when i knew my ex was going to have our dog put down so that was in the back of my mind the whole time. when credits were rolling i left to call her and then we cried for awhile. that all said, i kinda barely remember it. two and a half stars?

Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 December 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link

"Is that Sergio Mendes?"

indeed! han solo built his recording studio.

scott seward, Friday, 25 December 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link

Noodle Vague has been holding out on us

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 25 December 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link

i saw this tonight in 3d. it seemed about as good as the other modern day epic stuff like lord of rings and hunger games and stuff

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 27 December 2015 02:25 (eight years ago) link

not really a fan of 3d in general but i've seen this in both 2d and 3d and didn't feel 3d added anything

k3vin k., Sunday, 27 December 2015 02:28 (eight years ago) link

I was considering it but I don't think they could really fly at u face

μpright mammal (mh), Sunday, 27 December 2015 02:29 (eight years ago) link

i had two people sell me on going 3d, specifically not because of stuff jumping at you, but because of the 'depth' it added

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 27 December 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link

the spaceships looked cool but i think 2d would have been fine + no putting things on your face

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 27 December 2015 02:34 (eight years ago) link

I have never seen anything in 2d that made me want to go back and see it in 3d.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 December 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

Star Wars title fading into the stars and massive text crawl both looked cool in 3d fwiw. Movie felt a little dark bc of the 3d tho

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 27 December 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link

Rey abseiling down into the star destroyer looked like a tiny doll in 3d.

ledge, Sunday, 27 December 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

My best friend since grade school (we were 7 years old in 77 when we saw the first movie together at the Roseville 4) is on his way to pick me up for this. I think we're seeing it in 3D which wouldn't be my druthers but fuck it.

Watched rotj for the first time in decades this morning and was surprised that I now find the beginning of the movie boring compared to the stuff after they leave jabba's. The Jabba sequence felt oddly limp and I am a creature fiend so I should love it.

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 27 December 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

Gonna go tomorrow, 38yrs after seeing the orig a few blocks east. Thence to the spoiler thread.

kevin smith what a bro (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 27 December 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link

It was v good
I have thoughts I hope to type later

banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 27 December 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link


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