I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

i don't think a lot of people know bernie that well. not just minority voters.

― scott seward, Tuesday, February 2, 2016 4:48 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this is interesting. i mean elsewhere i think we're all pretty much agreed that the hypothetical matchups showing clinton or sanders doing better or worse versus trump or cruz in the general election are basically meaningless, because most of the people answering haven't got strong opinions on most of the people being named, and would probably tell you so. so when we swing around to the dem primaries and specific groups sanders needs to do better with, i'm kinda willing to buy that he has some room and time to grow as he takes on individual states and throws down big ad buys and barnstorming and all that kind of stuff. not "win south carolina" room to grow - i mean come on.

nonetheless it is possible he could gain some. maybe some parts of his message connect while others fall flat, or this varies across the demographics he's trying to get on board. it would be nice to see some more detailed and precise polling of south carolina, which i suspect we shortly will. when the campaign first got rolling, sanders was polling at like 2%, 5% in south carolina. in august, the first or second time i started arguing with frederik b about this, sanders was up to 9%. he's now at 32.5%. that's still a horrible, crushing defeat vs. hillary - but it means he's bringing somebody on board. may in fact just be white south carolinian college students - i don't know. but he's been very steadily inching up there. be interesting to see how it looks once post-iowa polls start showing up.

lol I just looked at the polling. me otm

yeah welfare reform, NAFTA, DOMA/dont ask don't tell, the 94 crime bill, etc. plenty of great stuff there that could be targeted to different demographics xxxp

we're looking beyond SC, Chachi.

‏@DougHenwood
The Hillary-Bernie Olive Garden meme is just like real sexual harassment, says this extraordinary piece

People write this crap because the positive case for HRC is so weak.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/02/bernie_bros_stop_this_meme_your_dumb_joke_about_hillarys_music_taste_isnt_funny_its_predictably_sexist/

damn, this thread is already HUUUUUUUUUGE

um

https://store.tedcruz.org/product/blacklisted-loving-it-poster/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W2VqgKeC-J0/VrDrIankK7I/AAAAAAAAeSg/YVO502nkoaA/s640/Screenshot%2B2016-02-02%2Bat%2B9.43.34%2BAM.png

person who wrote that is a music journalist, not a political writer, and the piece is ill-served by its headline xps

'It's a Miracle Trump Didn't Invent the Selfie'

When did Lefsetz start writing for der Spiegel?

David Brooks goin existential:

Donald Trump Isn’t Real

Haha omg

i don't think a lot of people know bernie that well. not just minority voters.

― scott seward, Tuesday, February 2, 2016 3:48 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean they know what he looks like and that he wants a revolution or whatever.

― scott seward, Tuesday, February 2, 2016 3:48 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"is he the angry old white guy?"

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, February 2, 2016 3:49 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loool

I always forget that not everyone is like my friends/family, we're all hyper aware of politics and plugged in and mostly for Bernie

lolllll xp

Hologram Trump for veep

RE Heidi Cruz holy shit i wondered whatever happened to Tracy Flick

uh Tracy Flick is obviously Hillary

no way Flick would have ever gotten down w/ Bill

idk what a gym teacher has over Bill

this face though

http://gawker.com/rumor-heidi-cruz-is-so-repulsed-by-iowans-she-has-to-s-1756461603

haha yeah it's like that freeze-frame in the film

Arthur Chu has thoughts about Berniebros: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/02/i-like-bernie-sanders-his-supporters-not-so-much-berniebro?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

didn't even really consider this in the midst of the clown show. kind of interesting...

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/267937-cruz-victory-threatens-ethanols-power

ethanol subsidies are bullshit, if this somehow puts a chink in their armor as some kind of mandated policy at the federal level, that's a good thing imo

agreed

big soy needs to find a way to make a way to profit off of setting their shit on fire like the corn ppl

I've never heard that nickname for Christie.

That Salon piece is predictably idiotic. They must pay really well for the writers to be willing to attach their names to shit like that.

idk I figure mocking Hillary picking a Celene Dion song as her campaign song in '08 is pretty much the same as a music publicist sexually assaulting women

https://41.media.tumblr.com/c3fb86709469392e3cc353590a6aef92/tumblr_o1w291vBNF1s7e5k5o1_500.jpg

this fucking guy, 1994

to save time, not clicking any URL including "berniebro"

@pareene
oh god wait Hillary is Hubert H. Humphrey

hawkish, presents self as avatar of real (non-elite) Democratic base, anti-left but not conservative

Eugene McCarthybros

Yeah, except her pecker has never been inside anyone's pocket.

Chris Matthews had an interview with Hillary Rodham Clinton on the MSNBC channel of the electric teevee machine Tuesday afternoon that was flatly astounding. This is especially true if you remember Matthews' sorry history with the Clinton family, especially concerning HRC, against whom he was so hostile in 2008 that kindly Doc Maddow called him out on it on the air. Now, though, apparently, Matthews sees HRC as the only thing keeping the Battleship Potemkin from sailing up his driveway....

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41754/chris-matthews-hillary-clinton-interview/

"We agree on universal health-care."

Holy fuck, she said it would never happen just the other day.

Apparently Marco doesn't want *that* much change.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/02/02/plagiarism-marco-rubio-gets-called-out-for-stealing-president-obamas-speech-video/

And as noted by someone above, I thought it weird he seemed to be bragging about coming in third with "So this is the moment they said would never happen. For months, for months they told us we had no chance."

I listened to about 20 minutes of Bernie's speech to his supporters after Iowans caucused. I was impressed by how much his program and policy ideas sounded like Ralph Nader in 2000. I voted for Nader in 2000, btw.

rand paul is dropping out.

*withdraws all cash from ATM, buys bitcoins and platinum*

http://i3.cpcache.com/product_zoom/146955583/turn_on_tune_in_drop_out_tshirt.jpg?height=250&width=250&padToSquare=true

"We agree on universal health-care."

Holy fuck, she said it would never happen just the other day.

I imagine Hillary would claim we have universal health care, and that Bernie wants to unravel it all to replace it with something else.

From old thread: "the (Trump) campaign has spent at least $1.2 million on hats."

If my hair looked like that I'd probably prioritize hats as well.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/should-millennials-get-over-bernie-sanders?intcid=mod-latest

Ugh how many shitty articles written by doofus amateur poli-sci know nothings is this primary going to generate?

Hillary's going pretty hard for the "we agree on the issues, we disagree on how to get them done, I'm the more practical one, and the important thing is to have the practical one to keep the republicans from ruining everything" formula. I can see why, but mannnn is it disingenuous, starting from "we agree on the issues."

"We agree on the issues, we just disagree on who should be the next president."

https://twitter.com/NateGoldman/status/694892933254901760

oof

New Hampshire responds to Trump's new loser status by not moving the needle at all:

http://www.uml.edu/docs/2-3%20TOPLINE%20-%20UMassLowell-7NEWS%20NH%20PRIMARY_tcm18-230574.pdf

Nm, think I got it [the caucus process] now.

― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Tuesday, February 2, 2016

if so, you are ahead of 99.5% of Americans.

Is that Goldman tweet an outtake from the British Office? This might be the first time I've felt a twinge of sympathy for a Bush.

I cannot imagine what would ever compromise my dignity to the extent that I would beg for people's applause.

January 29... Hil "agreeing" on healthcare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7w3Oey3xs

FiveThirtyEight getting a little, ah, excitable.

natesilver:We keep getting into these loops and eddies about Trump and Rubio and everyone except Cruz, who won Iowa last night, and who’s a clear second in national polls (and could be in first nationally by tomorrow for all we know). Betting markets have Cruz’s nomination chances at just 13 percent, which seems way low.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-does-ted-cruz-go-from-here/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/02/02/ted-cruz-relaxes-by-singing-show-tunes-actually-but-which-ones/

Really hoping for "I Feel Pretty," personally.