I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

**drudge siren**

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTz7cbWwAAXswU.jpg

I'm told he's a good dancer and wouldn't be surprised if he danced well on Noche Buena and New Year's Eve events w/family.

loooooooooooool xp

i heard he goes to Berghain with Claire Danes, but just for the ice cream
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he should join ILM, I hear there are a lot of people on there that are "really interested" in electronic dance music too

http://trumpdonald.org/

i was really hoping that would redirect to jeb bush's website

@ggreenwald
The new pro-Clinton claim that big corporate $$ isn't inherently corrupting was, ironically, a key Scalia/Thomas argument in Citizens United

^Good to keep in yr pocket for "SCOTUS SCOTUS SCOTUS" Clinton ppl

can you really call this ratfucking if the guy talks to the times about it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Conservative strategists and operatives say they are simply filling a vacuum on the far left, as well as applying the lesson they learned in 2012, when they watched in frustration as Mitt Romney was forced to expend time and resources in a protracted primary fight. By the time he secured his party’s nomination, President Obama hardly had to make the case that his opponent was a coldhearted plutocrat; Republicans like Newt Gingrich had already made the argument for him in the primaries.

Few Republicans are more familiar with that nightmare than Matt Rhoades, who was Mr. Romney’s campaign manager. He founded America Rising in response to a recommendation contained in an autopsy of Romney’s failed presidential run that was ordered by the Republican National Committee. The group’s original goal was to compete with American Bridge, the Democratic opposition research group, but its focus under Mr. Rhoades has been to subject Mrs. Clinton to an ordeal similar to Mr. Romney’s.

“The idea is to make her life difficult in the primary and challenge her from the left,” said Colin Reed, America Rising’s executive director. “We don’t want her to enter the general election not having been pushed from the left, so if we have opportunities — creative ways, especially online — to push her from the left, we’ll do it just to show those folks who she needs to turn out that she’s not in line with them.”

Mr. Law said members of his staff at American Crossroads had easily been able to inhabit the liberal role, despite being fervent Republicans. “We wear these little bracelets — W.W.E.W.D.,” Mr. Law joked, referring to “What would Elizabeth Warren do?”

beware the memes of America Rising comrades!! share if you agree

In the process they may draw the mildly conservative undecideds into her camp though.

Interesting development:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/03/democrat-debate-flint/79775366/

Dem debate in Flint on March 6th. I'm hoping that someone is on the ball enough to schedule enough facetime or co-promotional events with the slate of Democratic candidates for all those state seats currently held by douchebag Tea a Party types currently ruining my home state. Snyder's next election isn't til the midterms.

Weird new tick I've developed: going up to random strangers and yelling "I'm sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails!" at them. They don't respond very well.

^^
I wonder if you'd have better luck with "hurry up with my damn croissants"

hillary is not doing well in this debate imo. like worse than usual

not saying that bernie is wailing on her or anything, it's more on her

nevermind, he's now wailing on her

Isn't it "whaling on her"

if anyone reads this thread later and doesn't really want to watch the debate in full, at least check out 26:00 to 32:00 (or so), starting a little bit before clinton accuses sanders of promoting an "artful smear" against her.

Didn't even know about this--they were just on CNN last night.

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i don't know, i always thought it was wailing for some reason

~ bob marley

I'd like to go back and check that first Democratic debate, where I'm pretty sure Clinton was against bringing back Glass–Steagall just because she thought it was a bad idea. Now she's against it because it's just not enough.

But Sanders still shies away.

chuck todd, for once, did a good thing: he asked clinton whether she'd release the transcripts of ALL the paid speeches she gave, not just the goldman sachs ones

(she said she'd look into it)

she said she didn't know "the status"

Clinton has tried to go on the offensive by getting defensive - but Sanders just isn't engaging directly. In a way, he's weaseling away from personal accusations he's made, but somehow Clinton isn't looking the better for it.

He's really quite sly in his own way ("let's talk about the issues"), and it must be infuriating to HRC.

his answer on various threats and settling on north korea was kinda weird

These foreign policy questions are disasters. HRC believes in the premise of Chuck Todd's questions. Sanders comes off stupid because he doesn't.

Yeah, I don't know how you're supposed to answer a "Who is more of a threat, China, Russia, or North Korea?" question. I mean, none of them are really a direct threat to the United States, which is the only world superpower.

ah excellent a long defense of the death penalty

the death penalty is barbaric and i agree with sanders on this

For his last meal, Ricky Ray Rector left the pecan pie on the side of the tray, telling the corrections officers who came to take him to the execution chamber that he was saving it "for later". The rest of the pecan pie was not disposed of until Rector had been executed.

all in the state-murder family

Death penalty is wrong on every level. Huge majority of americans support it. So of course hillary is for it.

The one level I'm not sure about is whether, in some cases, it's actually more cruel to keep somebody alive. Maybe that's how we should do it. If someone has confessed to a horrific crime and requests euthanasia, maybe we should consider that as something less cruel. I don't believe in any death penalty apart from that.

the whole being on death row for decades thing...um...they should look into that.

Josh Barro ‏@jbarro 2h2 hours ago Manhattan, NY
Sanders is out of his depth on foreign policy, but in fairness, there's no clear correlation between knowledge & good decision-making on FP.

can't be repeated enough

Death penalty is wrong on every level. Huge majority of americans support it. So of course hillary is for it.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, February 4, 2016 10:15 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not really a "huge" majority anymore, and it's a declining majority.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1606/death-penalty.aspx

but i don't disagree about clinton-- this is her cynicism in a nutshell.

obama doesn't opposed the death penalty either, although he's never defended it per se.

Clintons approach in this debate was supremely wrong-headed (esp in the portion Karl Malone mentions upthread), almost bafflingly so.

Also, that death penalty thing was def a weird moment of pitching to the general, not the primaries, which is at least a minor misstep.

Bernie's response re: foreign policy experience needs a little more kick:

"Dick Cheney has more experience than both of us."

@pareene
Sanders should just say "I have no foreign policy but hers is terrifying."

Never say "I was flattered when Henry Kissinger said I..." unless the end of that sentence is "finally made him pay for his crimes."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chelsea-clinton-calls-bernie-president-sanders-in-awkward-slip/ar-BBp90d5?li=BBnb7Kz

even the NYT is calling Clintssinger's performance "defensive and angry," so i guess i gotta watch this

As pure performance it was tough and focused, actually. Both acquitted themselves well as performers.

the last 45 minutes they were agreeing so often that they reminded me of Bush-Gore Debates, Round Two.

well both those posts brought me crashing down to reality, so thx

just watch the first segment (particularly around 25 to 35 minutes in). things got relatively intense there, and then they both pulled back for the rest of the debate

i wonder if Screaming Caps Gal has heard of Henry Kissinger