I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

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I haven't seen him post anything yet that demonstrates he's aware of any US political history that predates the Black Lives Matter movement.

boxall, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

yeah occasionally I'll check out British politics threads out of curiosity/for my own amusement but it's not like I'm wagging my finger at anybody about the inner workings of the House of Lords or whatever

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

Why are people so focused on personally attacking me instead of looking at my arguments? They happen to be correct most of the time. Oh wait, I just answered my own question?

― Frederik B, Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:12 PM (9 minutes ago)

trying and failing to remember these correct arguments

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

also yes KM killing it good work lad, steady on

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

i don't doubt that's how gross DC PR operatives work, Tomboto, i'm more intrigued by the ways in which writers for the Atlantic don't say "good the fuck bye."

at least Frederik was right about Jessica Hausner's excellent film Amour Fou, full credit. Watch it!

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:23 (nine years ago)

Tuomas' schtick is now much more "let me write this long fanfic of how <insert topic here> should be" these days, ranging from every movie he's ever seen to idk economics

broderick f (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:23 (nine years ago)

no way, Tuomas' thing is more like "What is congress? I don't know how to find out"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:26 (nine years ago)

that would still be preferable imho. but really i feel silly even expending posts on this.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:27 (nine years ago)

That's politics Dr, this is what the people are telling us they want discussed itt

broderick f (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:31 (nine years ago)

vetoed

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:34 (nine years ago)

look, let's just dispel once and for all with this notion that frederik b does not know what he is posting. he knows exactly what he is posting!

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:42 (nine years ago)

Him and Obama both.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:43 (nine years ago)

Cuban burgers for everyone!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:43 (nine years ago)

Fred b: "Now, let me be unclear"

broderick f (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:49 (nine years ago)

lol Doc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:51 (nine years ago)

lol DC

k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:51 (nine years ago)

we need to get back to the issues that matter to the American people

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:58 (nine years ago)

This notion that Frederick doesn't know what he's doing is false! He knows exactly what he's doing. Okay?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:00 (nine years ago)

we need to get back to the issues that matter to the American people

ie how can we program a robot to keep the homos from getting married

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:00 (nine years ago)

@brianvradenburg
@mtaibbi Do you think there is any way that Trump can be goaded into saying smegma at a rally?

‏@mtaibbi
Just hold up a sign near him saying, "Donald Trump is afraid to say Smegma." Should work.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:01 (nine years ago)

uh OH, not RACHEL

@ggreenwald
.@Maddow tells Hillary she's been attacked by her & Bernie's supporters & sees no difference in tone/nastiness @5:30

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/clinton-chides-worked-up-sanders-supporters-619073091998

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:05 (nine years ago)

this speech thing is so dumb. they think americans who didn't care about benghazi and didn't care about the emails are going to get worked up about a puff speech to wall st?

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:07 (nine years ago)

different audience

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:11 (nine years ago)

actually, those are different if at times overlapping sets of worked-up americans

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:12 (nine years ago)

xp

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:12 (nine years ago)

Turn on FOX News and a mention of HRC can't happen without someone wiggling eyebrows and muttering darkly about the "imminent FBI bombshell."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:12 (nine years ago)

Wow sexist

broderick f (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:13 (nine years ago)

that sounds like Jessica Rabbit is going to burst into frame waving an incriminating email

xp: damn you dmac

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:14 (nine years ago)

no i understand they're meant to upset different ppl but these are just such boring scandals. benghazi was a little sexy since there were dead bodies but emails and paid speeches zzzzzzzzzz

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:15 (nine years ago)

sexiest scandal

http://www.motherjones.com/files/kissingerclinton.jpg

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:17 (nine years ago)

I think bill already depleted the sexy scandal quota in that family

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:18 (nine years ago)

hillary is an equal opportunity kisser

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/hillary-suha-arafat.jpg

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:18 (nine years ago)

hmmmm, who killed more ppl, Mrs Arafat or Kissinger... tough one...

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:30 (nine years ago)

HRC's buddy-buddy thing w/ kissinger is so nauseating

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:31 (nine years ago)

Not to defend FB, but pretty sure he was kidding about the whole "my opinions are right all the time" thing. Right?

schwantz, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:33 (nine years ago)

.

broderick f (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:37 (nine years ago)

"I would like to point out that I have been OTM on this thread"

kevin smith what a bro (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:39 (nine years ago)

Rogues gallery!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/29/252BB6D300000578-2931868-image-a-3_1422569556266.jpg

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:44 (nine years ago)

worst three-way ever

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:07 (nine years ago)

Preliminary exit poll results show that Republican primary voters in New Hampshire are roughly twice as likely as Democratic primary voters to say that they want their next president to be from outside the political establishment.

Nearly three quarters of Democrats said they preferred a candidate with political experience rather than an outsider. In contrast, Republicans were about evenly split between those looking for an experienced candidate and those favoring someone who is not a career politician. (NYT)

Not sure if that means Hillary might outperform expectations or if NH voters consider Bernie an experienced insider.

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:09 (nine years ago)

no way, Tuomas' thing is more like "What is congress? I don't know how to find out"

Ha, I posted something kind of like this. In my defence, though, caucuses are fucking confusing. Several articles later, I'm still not totally clear on how the Iowa county and state conventions work and how those percentages we saw are derived from the actual caucus result.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:16 (nine years ago)

lol neither are those of us in the US!

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:25 (nine years ago)

What is it that you're trying to say? Why on earth would that word-choice be important?

― Frederik B

caring about word choice matters because it helps me keep my head above water in the land of toxic political discourse i call my home. word choice is not a big deal, apparently, to Leninist Hilary Clinton supporters from Denmark

― rap is dad (it's a boy!),

x-post: Compared to dismantling white supremacy, then yeah, it seems pretty petty and insignificant to harp on whether Sanders self-describes as 'radical'. But hey, good for you that you can keep you're head over water that way, that's a real privilege, y'know.

― Frederik B

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:46 (nine years ago)

What does anyone hope to achieve by arguing on the internet? I'm interested in American politics, they're hugely important to the whole world. Plus I've lived in the US for a year. What's hard to understand?

Why are people so focused on personally attacking me instead of looking at my arguments? They happen to be correct most of the time. Oh wait, I just answered my own question?

― Frederik B

smh at the *privilege* of 'let's argue about us politics, it's an interesting hobby, don't you understand how hobbies work?'

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:47 (nine years ago)

Btw, I was right that Bernie Sanders is a self-described radical. As I most often am.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:00 (nine years ago)

Okay morbs

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:01 (nine years ago)

haha

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:03 (nine years ago)

sorry i’m late to thread and this is just me banging my head against a fleshy wall but whatever.

i agree that there are a ton of important issues concerning which there is very little, if any, air between clinton (and obama) and several of the GOP candidates. and that you prioritize those issues.

however there are a lot of other issues where there is more than a little sunlight. many of those issues have to do with domestic policy, particularly in re. entitlements.

maybe this is unfair, but i sometimes wonder if the folks who make the "tweedledee, tweedledum" argument are insulated by their privilege from the effects of the sort of policies on which the two parties clearly differ.

that’s the nice version. the not-nice version is that people who can’t hold in their mind two propositions—

1) hillary is a corporatist candidate who embraces many policies that are odious (and has a very unfortunate tendency to a warlike foreign policy) (simple translation = Hillary Is Shit)

2) a clinton presidency would likely have many real advantages over a rubio (or bush/trump/kasich/whatever) presidency. (simple translation = Rubio/etc. Is Much Worse Shit)

—seem to me to have some kind of problem with critical thinking.

(just to add more evidence for #2, who do you think even "moderate" kasich will appoint to the NLRB?)

keep in mind that i live in state that, as of 2011, is controlled — in every branch — by activist republicans. the state has gone to shit faster than i could ever have imagined. walker et al have undone unions, undone the civil service code, undone almost every protection the safety net afforded the poor, undone the schools (K-12 and high ed)…. it will take decades, maybe longer, to undo the damage. it is a fucking nightmare and i have students every semester who tell me about the very real effect of GOP policies on their lives and those of their parents, sisters, brothers….

need i add that i have no love whatever for clinton, sanders, kasich, bush, obama, or any other establishment politician? but my choice is not to pretend — or to insist, over and over and over and over and over and over again, in the face of the evidence — that there are no substantial differences among them.

bottom line: the world is shit! but that doesn’t mean it can’t get much worse. (with or without our help.)

i don’t know why this makes me so mad. maybe it’s because this attitude seems so smug in its infantile misanthropy, its "edginess," but is actually so fucking corny and stupid.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:04 (nine years ago)

"you" == some folks. i can't even remember what post i was responding to!

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:05 (nine years ago)

oh it's just your standard perfect (although Bernie is far from perfect) being the enemy of the good

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:06 (nine years ago)


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