I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=969nu2jmhDc

i've definitely seen in this election cycle ppl talking about how unfair it is that ppl come to the US illegally and then jump the line for social benefits

You know who talks about this a whole fuckin' lot? People who immigrated here legally.

kinda surprised everyone is freaking out so hard about PRESIDENT TRUMP, calm down you guys

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:28 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's going to happen. dems have been bigger idiots than reps this election by like a million miles. they've talked themselves into believing that 'old white guy with empty promises' represents a real political revolution, and on the other hand have managed to paint their own 'potential first woman president in us history' as worse than hitler. meanwhile every time trump says something that you think should end his candidacy... really, where do y'all think this is going?

Trump is more of a wildcard than Forbes or Perot - he's wildly irresponsible and completely fucking moronic, who knows what he will do. But there's no way that unpredictability gets converted into actual support, he's too incoherent and offensive; at some point he's going to say things way beyond the pale of what anybody will accept.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:11 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump comes out of this whole thing seriously damaged - either disgraced, broke, or in jail

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:12 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kinda surprised everyone is freaking out so hard about PRESIDENT TRUMP, calm down you guys

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:28 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Let us know when we can freak out...

Donald Trump is one of the most formidable opponents in the history of American politics. He is sharp, shameless, and likable.

This is where i just have no idea what likability standards are, in the world of Trump and Jimmy Fallon.

Do you consider yourself likable?

Let us know when we can freak out...

November 8th

have all the political geniuses that said trump had no chance of being the repubo prez nomination eaten crow yet?

really, where do y'all think this is going?

Trump needs huge chunks of a population that currently hates him to vote for him. how is that going to happen. There are just not enough angry white guys to win the office anymore, that is a demographic fact.

have all the political geniuses that said trump had no chance of being the repubo prez nomination eaten crow yet?

after next Tuesday we're going to see a lot of the GOP "establishment" (McConnell, Ryan, Priebus, Kochs, etc.) trying to figure out how they can work with/coordinate with Trump. That's going to be really awkward and interesting, and idk what the outcomes going to be tbh.

About to go early vote, can't decide between trying to ratfuck the GOP with a Trump vote or just going with Bernie.

are u serious

if everyone's interested in me eating crow I will totally cop to underestimating Trump's resilience in the primaries, I thought the GOP primary voter base had more hardcore ideologues in it than it apparently does. Also underestimated how SuperPAC money would make Trump's plurality (rather than a majority) look like an unstoppable juggernaut.

But primaries/caucuses are a totally different beast than a general election. All of this handwringing is ridiculous.

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Hey everyone, are you ready for...The GROUP?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431857/conservative-leaders-hedge-support-cruz

A group of conservative activist leaders that voted late last year to endorse Ted Cruz over Marco Rubio held a conference call Tuesday to reevaluate their positions based on new developments in the Republican presidential race, according to multiple sources familiar with the situation. The call was for members of The GROUP, a secretive cabal of prominent conservatives led by the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins and the Senate Conservatives Fund’s Ken Cuccinelli.

have all the political geniuses that said trump had no chance of being the repubo prez nomination eaten crow yet?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mst3k/images/1/12/Crowsolo.jpg

milo z, u need a tap on the head if u don't vote Sanders

Did The Group tour with The Boys and The Family around 1986?

Probably my favorite Trump quote yet.

http://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-i-love-the-poorly-educated-144008662.html

xpost Nothing compares 2 Cruz

Not so solid cruz

Trump needs huge chunks of a population that currently hates him to vote for him. how is that going to happen.

those people are either not going to vote, or they are going to vote for someone else, or they are going to vote for trump. two out of three of those options are a vote for trump. simple math.

What I found persuasive about the Current Affairs article was not the idea that a Trump presidency would be inevitable if Clinton became the Dem candidate, which I read as hyperbole and didn't even think to take seriously, but the argument that Sanders might be more competitive against Trump than Clinton would.

what exactly is the profile of the person currently looking at Trump saying "Jesus Christ, I hate this guy so much. I cannot wait to vote for him in the general election."

Republican?

"....but at least he's not ______"?

Really, most of the Trump dem handwringing I've seen so far has just been excuses to explain why Sanders is the only hope. The key phrase from the Current Affair article is this one 'everything about the electability calculus has changed, due to one simple fact: Donald Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee for President.' This is untrue, of course. Why wouldn't Trump be able to say bad things about Sanders?

you didn't answer my question sleepingbag

your question applies to every candidate equally. also, dem party splitting this election is severe. republicans are going to turn up if their candidate loses. bernie + hillary fans are not.

republicans are going to turn up if their candidate loses. bernie + hillary fans are not.

lol you are high

I mean: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/11/trump-i-want-to-run-against-the-little-puppy-bernie-sanders-video/

Is the unspoken subtext here "Trump's slander style will work better against Clinton because we all hate her anyway and are just looking for an excuse"?

xp: lol come on, the posturing on both sides is huge, especially this far out from the election

it's going to happen. dems have been bigger idiots than reps this election by like a million miles. they've talked themselves into believing that 'old white guy with empty promises' represents a real political revolution, and on the other hand have managed to paint their own 'potential first woman president in us history' as worse than hitler. meanwhile every time trump says something that you think should end his candidacy... really, where do y'all think this is going?

― • (sleepingbag), Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:48 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah I can't believe they made their own evil-down-to-her-last-atom rapacious lying war criminal candidate look bad... How did the bunglemaniacs at the DNC screw that up so bad, it was supposed to be her time!!!

you think all the lefty people aren't going to be totally fucking freaked out at the prospect of a Trump presidency enough to vote, that's nuts.

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bernie + hillary fans are not.

― • (sleepingbag), Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh i don't tihnk this is true, 2008 dem primary season was way more divisive and embittered than this one and it didn't affect obama at all when it came time for democrats to show up to vote

All the leftie's living in one of Trump's North Dakota gulags in 2018 so mad that they let the vicious smearing of Hilary get out of hand

your question applies to every candidate equally.

and no, it does not. Hillary polls really well w latinos and blacks, she has the means to turn out those votes for her, and she *needs* them. Trump does too, but his problem is they hate his fucking guts, he's already burned that bridge.

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and marcos otm, this Dem primary season has been *way* less divisive than 2008. The main difference between 2008 and 2012 on their side is that neither candidate is even close to the starpower of Obama (which is def a problem).

your question applies to every candidate equally.

and no, it does not. Hillary polls really well w latinos and blacks, she has the means to turn out those votes for her, and she *needs* them. Trump does too, but his problem is they hate his fucking guts, he's already burned that bridge.

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― Οὖτις, Wednesday, February 24, 2016 5:29 PM (29 seconds ago)

no man sleepingbag is right, hispanics are totally gonna stay home to not vote against the guy who's been campaigning on deporting them and building a wall on the border

Really, most of the Trump dem handwringing I've seen so far has just been excuses to explain why Sanders is the only hope. The key phrase from the Current Affair article is this one 'everything about the electability calculus has changed, due to one simple fact: Donald Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee for President.' This is untrue, of course. Why wouldn't Trump be able to say bad things about Sanders?

The argument is that the things Trump could say about Clinton could stick more and do more damage. The things he could say about Sanders are mostly things that Sanders says about himself or that he would be happy to debate, unless there are others you can think of. The author at least gives examples.

maybe it's just that reality television stars and businesspeople connect w/ the citizens of the US in a far more important + intimate way than any politician in 2016 in which case neither sanders nor clinton have a chance and the dnc should probably run kim kardashian

republicans will turn out for trump due to their actual ideology, when all is said and done: the government can and should be run like a business

I think Trump is a way better politician than your average business person or celebrity. xp

ok y'all. good luck ignoring the rest of all of the things that happen this political season! xps to everyone

The way Sanders looks. His age. That he gets easily mad. Waves his hands in a silly manner. Really, Trump is a born bully, him coming up with shit to say about people usually isn't a problem.

Also, Hillary is quite popular with democrats. Shocking, I know.

I don't think you know how bullying works, sund4e. If so, you're lucky.

but do you know how BUSINESS works

Also, Hillary is quite popular with democrats. Shocking, I know.

I'm not convinced that her track record is bearing this out.

Making fun of Sanders's looks and mannerisms seems less likely to stick to me than going after Clinton for being corrupt, voting for war in Iraq, her husband's transgressions, etc. but I don't always gauge public opinion very well.

ok y'all. good luck ignoring the rest of all of the things that happen this political season!

lol. amazed you think minority voters are gonna stay home this election and/or vote for Trump. what are you basing that on?

sund4e? Sub Morbz at best

Trump would go after Sanders for not understanding how business works, unlike all the "good" Jews

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Trump is going to try to jump up and down on either Sanders or Clinton. If it's Sanders, it will look to people unfavorable to him like he's jumping up and down on an old man. If it's Clinton, it will look to people unfavorable to him like he's jumping up and down on a woman. I have very little faith in the citizens of this country and their ability to do the right thing but I do believe that once Trump needs to court the votes of the people who do not already identify with the more blatantly racist, exclusionist party, his current rhetoric is not going to win him any favors and any pivots he makes will be in such contrast to the contemptuous display he's put on so far in the primaries that there's going to be a strong disconnect in brand for a good chunk of people, PARTICULARLY the minority populations that exist in the states it's most important for Trump to carry in order to win.

Could Trump become President? Sure. So could I, and Trump is much closer than I am, but I'm not putting money on either of us.