This is SHOUTING-for-MODERATOR thread pt. III!! [derailed: go to thread IV]

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'Phil Milstein is a "known figure" in the outsider music community: I'd be very surprised if he's planting trojans on websites'. As opposed to a "known figure" in Motown -- is outsider music going all Motown? I too would be surprised.

OS system doesn't support anything newer, VC++/hard drive won't allow a third browser.

I apologise for letting him near the server. Is there anyone here who has a clue what they're doing re:SQL that can take over?

In response to worries about slower response times I did indeed try changing the main newanswers query -- I experimented back and forth between my new code and graham's, with no obvious difference I could detect. I was worried about the slow down -- it predated my changes and i don't know where it came from. Graham noticed a difference between his and my code and here he is telling me about it.

I will not access the server ever again. Graham do not ever write to my personal e-mail address again.

I cannot work co-operatively on a project like this with someone who makes it unpleasant to work on. Does anyone else want to try working with graham?

ok that was a cross-post with alan: i'm not rewriting, it's not worth it

(Of course I will hide this pint in a round situation and therefore it won't feel all that special - but I am tight like that).

The point is that he's going on about being unable to work with me when he's never even tried to.

anyway, i guess you've got what you wanted: we now get to ask you day and night, once again, to consider and enact any and all changes we think for to request, in return for exactly the same thankless take-the-tech-support-for-granted that pissed you off so much last time

one of the reasons ppl don't go out of their way to be nice to you is possibly that when they do they know from a history of yr behaviour that it will simply be thrown viciously in their face in a few days/weeks/months time (what youi just did to alan being a picture-perfect example): after the dust is settled, they know you will busily start portraying whoever made an effort to be nice/be helpful as the villain... so why even bother starting?

this bad loop (kindness => bad feedback => end of kindness => worse feedback) can be broken, but not by anyone other than yourself...

(cross-post again)

in answer to your question: we would like you to try to make an effort to learn to treat other people on the planet as if they mattered in themselves, not just as part of your plans for them

on our world — that of the regular users of the board — giving alan the password worked fine

(X-post) Graham, you have a way of squandering sympathy and goodwill that is second to none.

Nick? Nicholas Dastoor? Hello you.

I was under the impression that Graham had passed on control to Alan for the good of the board and his sanity, without retaining 'executive control'. I'm not saying that is the case, just that that's the impression I had got, and maybe others had too.

[cross post]

Graham? Hello. I am assuming this is some dig at me not replying to an email. Since the 'fuck you' thing ages ago I'm pretty sure I haven't had one from you anyway.

for example the way you are behaving today is as a matter of fact contemptibly (but also unfortunately typically) ungrateful response TO ME for all the time i have given you over the last year and more: and even if i choose to take it on the chin — it's a nice day, i'm (sort of still) in a good mood, blah blah — plenty of people reading will immediately be marking you down for it

ie the question "why should your goodwill matter" translates in the real world as "i don't mind if no one is ever nice to me again": but you *do* care!!

you make a habit of punishing people IN ADVANCE for the (sometimes imagined) sins of those who went before: and that's wqhat you;re doing here, again

i think a new MODERATOR SHOUT thread wd be a good idea anyway: this one was already getting unwieldy

Yes, it's because we don't appreciate you. You are wasted on us. Nothing to do with the endless fucking tantrums and childish hissy fits and generally making the people who have done the most for you feel like shit. Nothing at all.

(x-post with Mark, but wtf)

"Thanks y'all.

I should probably stress that Alan is just the person I sent the code and instructions, he's not necessarily going to be my successor, and more likely several people will be working on it in future. -- Graham 15th April 2003"

I have to go to M&S for my lunch. I started Mod thread IV, for future use, so this one can go where it will.

Graham in all the time I have actually been the obvious living counterexample to your claim, you have never made a sustained attempt — apart from occasional one-sentence thanks — to actually notice me "as a person", or "care about my feelings" or whatever. You keep saying the trade is unfair: but I don't actually think there's any evidence (yet) that you would trade fairly if someone started it off. I'd like to think we're friends — but you don't actually treat me like one.