Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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but imagine the poignant moment as you run outside and catch just a faint distant image of the drone flying into the sunset, with your errant package dangling precariously by one little claw

i guess late stage capitalism does have a little romance to it.

larry appleton, Thursday, 21 April 2016 14:19 (nine years ago)

* Software is too hard to write. Autonomous vehicles will likely require complicated parallel programs that must be bug free. Compilers (and static analysis) need to advance.

+ A BILLION

bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Thursday, 21 April 2016 15:11 (nine years ago)

make em write it all in ada

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 21 April 2016 15:12 (nine years ago)

https://www.rust-lang.org/

bothan zulu (El Tomboto), Thursday, 21 April 2016 15:16 (nine years ago)

I'm picturing y'all chasing down your Amazon and UPS drones like

http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/galleries/2014/Review_ObiWanKenobiCoruscantChaseSWS/Review_ObiWanKenobiCoruscantChaseSWS_still.jpg

T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Thursday, 21 April 2016 15:30 (nine years ago)

I have had excellent UPS service and every time I see complaints I cross my fingers and hope I'm not some weird outlier who is going to wake up some day to realize they started delivering my packages to the dump

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 21 April 2016 15:33 (nine years ago)

In an unusual alliance between a traditional automaker and a technology company, Ford Motor and Google on Wednesday joined to lead a coalition of companies that advocate federal approval of driverless cars in the near future.

...At Wednesday’s hearing at Stanford University in California, the nation’s top auto safety regulator, Mark Rosekind, said the federal government was hopeful that driverless technology could help reduce the annual death toll from traffic accidents. In 2014, the last year for which data was available, 32,675 people died in auto accidents.

Mr. Rosekind said that more than 90 percent of vehicle accidents every year were the result of decisions made by drivers at the wheel — and self-driving technology had the potential to prevent at least some of those accidents.

“We are focused on promoting safety innovation that can do the most to save lives,” he said.

Automakers are already putting some self-driving features, like automatic braking and steering, in current models. But the coalition led by Ford and Google is urging swift passage of regulations that allow for totally autonomous vehicles.

In addition to Ford and Google, the coalition includes the Swedish carmaker Volvo and the ride-sharing firms Lyft and Uber. The spokesman for the group is David Strickland, a predecessor of Mr. Rosekind’s as the head of the safety agency.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/business/ford-and-google-team-up-tosupport-driverless-cars.html

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:28 (nine years ago)

Ban human-driven cars by 2025 imo

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:33 (nine years ago)

http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/28/movidius-fathom-neural-compute-stick/

schwantz, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:38 (nine years ago)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/bobbysixer/aicap_zpsu0je6wmp.jpg

Half-baked profundities. Self-referential smirkiness (Bob Six), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:58 (nine years ago)

My last attempt to use that image recognition site ^ said "I'm not sure, but I think it's a picture." Well, yes, I suppose it would be.

🐸 a hairy, howling toad torments a man whose wife is deathly i (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 April 2016 23:20 (nine years ago)

any thoughts on this guy? pretty interesting stuff

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-george-hotz-self-driving-car/

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 April 2016 23:27 (nine years ago)

So he started fitting out the car last November and hoped to have a world class vehicle ready by May? If he's driving for ten hours a day every day that's less than 2000 hours of training. No thanks.

I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Friday, 29 April 2016 08:05 (nine years ago)

Update: by Feb he'd managed 100 hours (!) of training, and he hopes to release by the end of the year. Fingers crossed eh George!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aarontilley/2016/03/08/george-hotz-comma-ai/#32fe0499493b

I've had Eno, ugh (ledge), Friday, 29 April 2016 08:10 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

This article was fascinating, and perhaps suggests some ways forward for AI modeling...

schwantz, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 18:20 (nine years ago)

three weeks pass...

Tesla driver killed in crash while using 'Autopilot' self-driving feature

sleeve, Friday, 1 July 2016 14:52 (nine years ago)

Tesla driver killed in crash while using 'Autopilot' self-driving feature

I wrote about this on Twitter. Background subtraction (i.e. image segmentation) was blamed. This is exactly the problem I outlined above.

Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 3 July 2016 21:08 (nine years ago)

A lot of people are claiming that even current self-driving cars are "safer" than human-driven cars, but this seems to me based on the faulty comparison of self-driving to the "average" driver. Most auto-fatalities involve either alcohol, a lack of a seatbelt, or a combination of the two. It should thus not be very reassuring to a sober, seatbelt-wearing person that the self-driving car has a lower fatality rate than humans.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 4 July 2016 04:54 (nine years ago)

Wait until the first big lawsuit where an injured party (or their estate) sues the manufacturer of a self-driving car for damages due to 'negligence' or 'reckless disregard' and we'll know a lot more about the future of the autonomous vehicle industry.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 4 July 2016 05:25 (nine years ago)

I'm sorry guys it is a farce, I was the car "self-driver". The front camera had extra glare and I've acquired this tolerance for stimulants that is making them ineffective and when I saw that shiny surface my first thought was that we're having that glare issue again (logged in jira so many times) but maybe I just thought of all those cool movie scenes where a cool little tesla-like car skids under a semi. Yikes. Don't email my boss. Let me self-drive for you in peace

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 4 July 2016 05:35 (nine years ago)

Artificial Intelligence still has some way to go

http://arstechnica.co.uk/the-multiverse/2016/06/sunspring-movie-watch-written-by-ai-details-interview/

écorché (S-), Monday, 4 July 2016 07:50 (nine years ago)

It says something that the pop song written by that program was vapid, but almost passable, while the script, where humans must talk to one another and act like humans, sounds barely coherent.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 4 July 2016 17:55 (nine years ago)

https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/misfortune

schwantz, Thursday, 7 July 2016 17:21 (nine years ago)

but it's so much more fun to paint this as a robocop boardroom demo and draw snide conclusions about how AI still has a long way to go

Salsa Golf (Argentinean Ketchup) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 July 2016 18:03 (nine years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://yaroslav.ganin.net/static/deepwarp/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 18:31 (eight years ago)

lol, a literal RMDE program

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 18:59 (eight years ago)

The first program that can roll its eyes at how bad it is.

schwantz, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 19:51 (eight years ago)

paging gr8080

http://i.giphy.com/3o6ZsSi98Ugr8mUk9y.gif

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:24 (eight years ago)

This work seems to be aimed pretty directly at creating photo-realistic-animation software. This is the sort of 'artificial intelligence' that has a viable path to its goal, but it is hardly the 'strong ai' that gets all the think-pieces.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:40 (eight years ago)

also totally pointless/of no actual use to humanity

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:53 (eight years ago)

[finds pic of shakey on wdyll thread, runs it through rmde engine, posts it to thread]

chad valley of the shadow of death (ledge), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:55 (eight years ago)

good luck with that

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:58 (eight years ago)

xxxp I don't know. If you add 'artificial intelligence' to your google news right now, for example, you'll get two think-pieces about how emerging interest in AI is an opportunity to bridge the STEM gender gap, a few articles about reasonable AI applications, and maybe one article about someone writing a movie script with the assist of AI.

veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 21:05 (eight years ago)

guys i'm worried this has no use to humanity

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:30 (eight years ago)

that's what they said about ice

veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 02:36 (eight years ago)

Just to be clear, I posted this on this thread because it uses neural networks. Rmde at the ai police.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 04:16 (eight years ago)

tbh a "best and creepiest siggraph demos" thread would be pretty grand

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 15:45 (eight years ago)

https://twitter.com/FioraAeterna/status/758329754386694144

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 16:12 (eight years ago)

feel like a grad student in...anthropology? might have a field day with the whole "underpaid mechanical turks do stuff while devs work on the AI" thing

jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 16:39 (eight years ago)

or, like, a jacobin thinkpiece

jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 16:41 (eight years ago)

all that stuff is mostly smoke and mirrors that the VC community is mysteriously (well not that mysteriously, they're idiots) buying into

non of these concierge type startups in w'ell-turk-it-for-now-and-use-that-to-train-machine-learning-in-parallel are making any progress whatsover on the training, afaict.

if any companies get anywhere it will be because of structural advantages in training data access, i.e. it will be google or facebook or whoever.

but if you can exit one of those chatbot/turk nonsense startups in the next year or two before the penny drops, good for you.

in the meantime of course the turkers are treated like garbage, but they're organizing (cc hoos) http://wiki.wearedynamo.org/index.php/Guidelines_for_Academic_Requesters

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:08 (eight years ago)

eye manipulation needs a lot of improvement

there are a lot more muscles that move when we move our eyes

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:15 (eight years ago)

fwiw that is very significantly better than what's gone before, but the point of that study is to demonstrate a method that involves knowing nothing about physiology. there are no hard-coded heuristics about how the human body works in there. it's all learned by a machine from examples.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:19 (eight years ago)

i didnt read the documentation and just scanned the text

thats pretty cool

i guess correcting googly eyes on photos in post-shots could yield interesting results

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 17:29 (eight years ago)

When I was a tech writer I remember a colleague of mine (who knew I dabbled in writing chatbots) asked me what I thought about AI and I remarked offhand that I was convinced that most of the intelligence was embedded in the data structures.

I still think this remark has validity and that neural networks and machine learning are mainly about giving machines the ability to evolve and refine their own data structures. If the newer structure fits the given task better than the unevolved structure, then the machine has gained in intelligence. Of course, real AI researchers are creating applications several orders of magnitude more sophisticated than my poor little chatbots were and could talk rings around me on this subject.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 18:07 (eight years ago)

yeah it's interesting that "AI" in the sense that it's discussed in, e.g. the norvig book, has been pretty much abandoned, or at least has a much diminished profile.

this is to the extent that "AI" has almost become one of those magic phrases (like "big data") whose use allows you to quickly spot people in the tech industry who don't know what they're talking about

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 18:15 (eight years ago)

one month passes...

https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/24/why-ai-consolidation-will-create-the-worst-monopoly-in-us-history/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 August 2016 21:53 (eight years ago)

Interesting topic, but: "monopoly" usage fail; and the idea that "Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft" owning everything in IT is bad for the rest of us is, hmm, how do you say, not news

El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 August 2016 22:41 (eight years ago)

yeah. i think the article doesn't do a good job of explaining why a concentration of "AI" (which for now means machine learning) power would be different from previous examples. i think it would though.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 August 2016 23:21 (eight years ago)

Can't wait for SAP and Oracle to buy AI

mh 😏, Sunday, 28 August 2016 23:52 (eight years ago)


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