he should be careful flashing that kind of cash around. pretty soon he won't be able to afford to take his wife to Denny's anymore.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 21:24 (seven years ago) link
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shake-shack-founder-says-tipping-is-a-hoax-142228863.html
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
It looks like this was covered in that WaPo article posted upthread (last year), but it was new to me:
How did tipping become the norm in the U.S.?Well, the practice has some racist rootsââthat go all the way back to slavery: pic.twitter.com/pyeAfdJrhV— Splinter (@splinter_news) September 11, 2017
― Beret McKesson (jaymc), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
"But what if I told you tipping had a racist past?"
well, I'd stop doing it immediately. Thanks lady!
― sleepingbag, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
oh man, there were comments to that effect
that's not how it works, it just makes it clear it's essential unless you go somewhere that you know wait staff are making a living wage!
oy
― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
Yes the blanket advice of "leave America immediately" is usually safely good
― passĂŠ aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
brb going to your "lads" thread
― mh, Monday, 11 September 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
Hmmm 'oy' might be a fair translation tbh
― passĂŠ aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
Having just moved to the US, my usual strategy of panicking and at least knowing I will never be back at this establishment is going to fail soon
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 11 September 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
when i moved to canada i just started conversations about tipping with some people, and from that arrived at a blanket 20% tip in all service situations as being generous and therefore not making me look like a thrifty brit.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 11 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-for-busses-startup-launches-ico-to-end-tipping-altogether-2017-11
― iatee, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I hate these people
― .oO (silby), Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
startup launches to make poor people poorer
― bridge of donkeys, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
also less free
― j., Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
I don't get it, is there any cost to the 'rater' of rating the server?
― kinder, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
yeah, it's definitely evil but also makes no sense? I'm sticking with Bodega Box for my startup dollars.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
They should have focused on CEOs. Their cryptocurrency could function both as a review and as a replacement for bonuses and stock options, and would follow CEOs to their next job in the CEO gig economy.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
Today the Trump administration took their first major step towards allowing employers to legally take tips earned by the workers they employ. https://t.co/bs6qMHHj7G— Economic Policy Institute (@EconomicPolicy) December 4, 2017
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/11/business/tipping-sexual-harassment.html
― éž, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjIeiG2XoAoBicK.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
that person should be imprisoned for 18 to life
― ( ÍĄâ ÍĘ ÍĄâ) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
"I'd rather spend that money on other things"
Oy vey. Yes I'd rather not spend ANY money when I get goods or services, but livinginaSOCIETYcostanza.gif.Actually I feel the exact opposite of her: I'm never going to miss an extra dollar or 2 I tipped someone, whereas the cumulative extra dollar from every customer is going to be a significant amount for a server.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
"I shafted every single person who served me this year, any establishment I frequent is prob spitting in my food and drinks, I live in shame about this but not enough so to actually change my behavior, but woohoo I now have 'saved' enough money to buy a Roomba"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
âyou chose that professionâthe service industry: itâs a calling, not a grinding, degrading hellscape of shit-eating you hope one day to claw your way free from
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
itâs like being a monk, really, except youâre married to a spitting hot-plate instead of god
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
Where is this from?
― Yerac, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
https://www.eater.com/2018/7/27/17577272/bad-tipping-in-america-restaurants
i haven't read the article as it's a subject that makes me too mad
― ( ÍĄâ ÍĘ ÍĄâ) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
(I've always hated stingy tippers and my partner is a server)
If someone is willing to give you quotes like that you should not let them remain anonymous.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
Her friends suck too for going out with her and not covering her portion of the tip.
― Yerac, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
Complete ostracization is the only option.
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
When James dines out, which he does a few times a week, he says he plays a rounding game with the bill at the end of the meal. âI will add a few dollars and round it to an even number, say a $36.87 meal being tipped $3.13 to make $40.00,â he explains. âThis isnât because I want to tip, it just gives me a little mental math game and I like even numbers.â
― visiting, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
yes that article will make you mad.
in a just society, james, your head would be on a fucking pike outside a restaurant as a warning to other patrons
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
I remember distinctly once while bartending, these douchebros came into my bar in blyn (at the time they were out of place) and the guy stared me right in the eye as he took the round of drinks back to his table without leaving a tip. Like, daring me to say something. This happened every single time he came up to the bar. It was early evening and I was tending by myself so there wasn't much I could do. At least it was just bottle beer.
― Yerac, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
used to have hangover anxiety in my early 20s. did I say something untoward or act like a jerk last night at the bar?
in my old age, now I seldom have that anxiety, but when I do it's usually me worrying that I fucked up the tip when paying the tab and some bartender is shaking her fist and vowing vengeance when she goes through the night's receipts
― mh, Saturday, 28 July 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
you are all wrong, sam is 100 otm but for the comment about them choosing that profession which is shitty
dont blame sam because youve accepted this nonsense system
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
Itâs sort of a reverse prisonerâs dilemma where if everyone agrees at once to stop doing it then things would be better but if you just do it because you feel like it, youâre not exactly *galaxy brain* youâre just being a dick.
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
ok she is also wrong re just feeling like it but hey theres no wrong way to be right
in fact i cant figure if my main view of ilx is that its found all the right ways to be wrong, all the wrongs ways of being right, or whether we're all just fellow travellers in a cruel world but some have better movie recommendations
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
Anyway the way to the end of tipping in the USA, already in progress, is through establishments going explicitly tipless and adding service charges. No way is having brave consumers stiff servers out of principle an act of solidarity.xp ilx is mostly where we take opinions we learned on Twitter and try them out on a small audience before going wide with it
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
wait
why do *we* have a sandbox then
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
not all progress happens thru solidarity
(sorry hoos im sorry im sorry)
also is the service charge a stepping stone towards "the price is the price" because even listing service charge is a sad excuse of responsibility for running a business imo
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
i have my own methodology for assessing how much to tip
if you don't want to tip, you shouldn't have to, though
i hold nothing against those people
the current system of tipping in north america is not good though
― F# A# (â), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
I mean I hate tipping too and wish the US would completely do away with it, but I don't believe in dicking over service people for me to make a point and which also benefits me that I get to keep my money. On my fb feed at least, it's all the white women in top tier US cities who are going bonkers about anyone "messing with their money" (talking about doing away with the tip system).
― Yerac, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
The US is just basically impossible, because you can't even talk about changing most things when healthcare is so expensive and wrapped up in employers. And who cares when workers may no longer be entitled to their tips anyway.
― Yerac, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
No. The way to end tipping is to vote in living wages for everyone, one jurisdiction at a time, or a national living wage law that doesnât allow for local exemptions for tipped employees. The latter wonât hold up in court, though, because our federal judiciary branch is being packed with drooling idiot right-wing stooges, so letâs go with the former. Of course, machine politicians like my local fucking city council members will try and kill any living wage ballot initiatives that do pass, so we need to replace them as well. But deems is right, we choose to live in this system, just like front-of-house staff choose to do that job. Also anybody who thinks I get my opinions from Twitter will be punched in the neck and genitals.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
its better than getting them from me tbh
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Saturday, 28 July 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
that was a sidemouth, lest anyone is waiting for me to break character at this stage
Tom, both at once, or one after another?
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
^^^ i was also wondering this
― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 July 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link