lol @ these people https://openreview.net/forum?id=BkjLkSqxg
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 6 February 2017 19:59 (eight years ago)
I like the conspiracy angle -- you don't like our ideas because other people on social media said bad things about them!
― mh π, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)
lots of people thing apples are good, you like apples, therefore you must have talked to lots of people
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:17 (eight years ago)
is that somewhere on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 6 February 2017 20:19 (eight years ago)
it's very close to gamerg4te logic -- you think it's weird that this game only has women in bikinis or in non-speaking parts, and reviewed it lower because of it, so obviously you're in league with a vast online conspiracy
― mh π, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:20 (eight years ago)
got into a youtube hole of watching AIs play video games the other day after skimming this overly technical blog post:
https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2017/01/28/performance-trends-in-ai/
Interestingly enough, hereβs a video of a computer playing Breakout:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXgU37PrIFMIt obviously doesnβt βknowβ the law of reflection as a principle, or it would place the bar near where the ball will eventually land, and it doesnβt. There are erratic jerky movements that obviously could not in principle be optimal. It does, however, find the optimal strategy of tunnelling through the bricks and hitting the ball behind the wall. This is creative learning but not conceptual learning.You can see the same phenomenon in a game of Pong:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW8m2YGtRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXgU37PrIFM
It obviously doesnβt βknowβ the law of reflection as a principle, or it would place the bar near where the ball will eventually land, and it doesnβt. There are erratic jerky movements that obviously could not in principle be optimal. It does, however, find the optimal strategy of tunnelling through the bricks and hitting the ball behind the wall. This is creative learning but not conceptual learning.
You can see the same phenomenon in a game of Pong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW8m2YGtRg
― flopson, Monday, 6 February 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)
https://worldwritable.com/ethical-imperatives-in-ai-and-generative-art-b8cf51af4c5#.giwlo1ryo
Iβm increasingly of the opinion that art projects or experiments that deliberately obfuscate the distinction between man and machine do more harm than good. It was a mild disappointment when the mysterious spambot @horse_ebooks turned out to be a stuntβit was 2012 and it just meant that a little magic went out of the world.I was less forgiving of SeeBotsChat, a recent livestream featuring two Google Home devices talking to each other. The livestream was entertaining but the dialogue was too good to be completely generative. Nevertheless, the media reported it as being a performance by two AIs, and many people assumed that this was just how Google Home works out of the box. The creators did not immediately disclose how it worked:Eventually the they revealed what some had guessed: the devices were using a service called Cleverbot (without permission, one reason the creators were initially coy). Cleverbot isnβt fancy: it remixes 20 years of human chat logs and is more like a turbo-charged ELIZA than artificial intelligence. The dialogue in SeeBotsChat was entertaining because it was written by people, but the creators positioned the devices as emerging consciences. It worries me that thousands of people watched the live stream, didnβt catch the later disclosure, and came away thinking, βThis is what AI can do.β
I was less forgiving of SeeBotsChat, a recent livestream featuring two Google Home devices talking to each other. The livestream was entertaining but the dialogue was too good to be completely generative. Nevertheless, the media reported it as being a performance by two AIs, and many people assumed that this was just how Google Home works out of the box. The creators did not immediately disclose how it worked:
Eventually the they revealed what some had guessed: the devices were using a service called Cleverbot (without permission, one reason the creators were initially coy). Cleverbot isnβt fancy: it remixes 20 years of human chat logs and is more like a turbo-charged ELIZA than artificial intelligence. The dialogue in SeeBotsChat was entertaining because it was written by people, but the creators positioned the devices as emerging consciences. It worries me that thousands of people watched the live stream, didnβt catch the later disclosure, and came away thinking, βThis is what AI can do.β
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 16 February 2017 04:30 (eight years ago)
https://medium.com/@ageitgey/abusing-generative-adversarial-networks-to-make-8-bit-pixel-art-e45d9b96cee7#.ulol42v1j
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Thursday, 16 February 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)
re: SeeBotsChat i assumed it was just that, remixes of human chat logs, and was fine w it being that. it's still novel and interesting to me. i didn't really get that it was "positioned as emerging consciences", esp given that it was on twitch.
i don't really care about ethics in AI/Generative Art.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 February 2017 22:32 (eight years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1E-FlguwGw
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:14 (eight years ago)
I lol'd http://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/03/29/a-swedish-transit-agency-cuts-through-the-hype-on-automated-cars/
― Ξα½ΟΞΉΟ, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:05 (eight years ago)
good for them, that's what I've been trying to explain to people for a couple of years but whatever, ROBOT CARS
― Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:00 (eight years ago)
https://lyrebird.ai/demo
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 24 April 2017 14:21 (eight years ago)
that is really something. did you see the adobe demo from a few months back, offering similar capabilities? it's nice that this one is open source.
worth reading the Ethics section:
Lyrebird is the first company to offer a technology to reproduce the voice of someone as accurately and with as little recorded audio. Such a technology raises important societal issues that we address in the next paragraphs. Voice recordings are currently considered as strong pieces of evidence in our societies and in particular in jurisdictions of many countries. Our technology questions the validity of such evidence as it allows to easily manipulate audio recordings. This could potentially have dangerous consequences such as misleading diplomats, fraud and more generally any other problem caused by stealing the identity of someone else. By releasing our technology publicly and making it available to anyone, we want to ensure that there will be no such risks. We hope that everyone will soon be aware that such technology exists and that copying the voice of someone else is possible. More generally, we want to raise attention about the lack of evidence that audio recordings may represent in the near future.
Voice recordings are currently considered as strong pieces of evidence in our societies and in particular in jurisdictions of many countries. Our technology questions the validity of such evidence as it allows to easily manipulate audio recordings. This could potentially have dangerous consequences such as misleading diplomats, fraud and more generally any other problem caused by stealing the identity of someone else.
By releasing our technology publicly and making it available to anyone, we want to ensure that there will be no such risks. We hope that everyone will soon be aware that such technology exists and that copying the voice of someone else is possible. More generally, we want to raise attention about the lack of evidence that audio recordings may represent in the near future.
strange times.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 24 April 2017 15:50 (eight years ago)
and although i'm sure someone will chime in to make the bold claim that the synthesized speech sounds robotic and that AI is a joke, i think it already sounds really good, particularly in how it auto-generates different intonations for the same snippet of text.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 24 April 2017 15:53 (eight years ago)
huh, I know the new Adobe voice tool is supposed to be able to create new audio given a sample of someone's speech, sounds like it's becoming a populated space
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)
oooh kay, I listened to the demo and it's not quite as good as I expected
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)
lol what kind of logic is this. "We're doing this thing that's probably dangerous and has lots of unforeseeable legal consequences, possibly major - but if *everyone* can do it then maybe that will work just like nuclear deterrent and *nobody* will do it! Here you go everybody!"
― Ξα½ΟΞΉΟ, Monday, 24 April 2017 15:58 (eight years ago)
reference for the adobe bit: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/adobe-voco-photoshop-for-audio-speech-editing/
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)
shakey i think the idea is that it's open knowledge in the ML community that that technology is not just possible but extant and in use
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:07 (eight years ago)
xposti don't think their argument was that by making it open source, nobody would choose to use it. i think the argument is that by making it easy for everyone to do, it would throw the validity of ALL voice recordings into doubt.
the only way that the argument makes sense is if you accept as a given that the technology will exist and that at least some people will have access to it. if that's the case, and voice recordings are still accepted as a form of identification, then a situation exists where some people are able to fraudulently use synthesized voice recordings because others (credit card help line operators, judges, etc) remain clueless that the technology even exists. given that scenario, they think that offering the technology to everyone, open source, is a better alternative because everyone will realize that no voice recording can be trusted.
i'm not sure about that line of reasoning, but it's a little bit different than nuclear deterrence
― Karl Malone, Monday, 24 April 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)
i don't think they've made it open source btw
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)
I think it's a twofold initiative: on one hand, publicizing the existence of the technology for broad distribution puts it in the public eye and invites scrutiny in cases where a convincing audio recording may be taken for granted, in situations legal or not. On the other hand, it focuses that wave of interest on their particular project, which will either benefit by increased publicity or an increase in contributors and integrators.
There's also the catch-22 of putting it out there in that increased analysis will both discover techniques that allow you to discriminate between generated audio and a legitimate recording, while giving developers the list of discernible differences they need to eliminate
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:16 (eight years ago)
someone beat you to this idea
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/googles-dueling-neural-networks-spar-get-smarter-no-humans-required/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)
I did not propose codifying this in an AI but I appreciate their initiative
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:21 (eight years ago)
Making it widely available and easy to use means that people are less likely to go to jail based on bullshit expert testimony about voiceprints and shit.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 April 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)
i love this https://thenewinquiry.com/white-collar-crime-risk-zones/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:23 (eight years ago)
https://medium.com/@blaisea/physiognomys-new-clothes-f2d4b59fdd6a
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Sunday, 7 May 2017 02:48 (eight years ago)
^^^ that's a good read. long but mostly worth it.
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 May 2017 02:28 (eight years ago)
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/863836188850966529/2RaOXcFl?format=png&name=2048x2048_2_exp
― Dan I., Monday, 15 May 2017 01:53 (eight years ago)
World-changing
― softie (silby), Monday, 15 May 2017 02:12 (eight years ago)
not banana
― mh, Monday, 15 May 2017 02:38 (eight years ago)
is chicago
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 15 May 2017 04:20 (eight years ago)
Normalize the signal and you're banging on freonPaleolithic eonPut the fruit goatee on
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 15 May 2017 04:41 (eight years ago)
discover techniques that allow you to discriminate between generated audio and a legitimate recording, while giving developers the list of discernible differences they need to eliminate
A classic arms race situation, because what ever science can isolate and measure can never be kept as a secret for long.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 15 May 2017 05:00 (eight years ago)
dubious "emotion detection" as ever, but impressive for in-browser, and gaze detection is good (a surprisingly hard problem apparently)
this is the best browser-based face tracking + analysis demo i've seen since clmtrackr https://t.co/6MXqwEtWDM by @VisageTech pic.twitter.com/YaXGp251Vx— Kyle McDonald (@kcimc) May 16, 2017
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 20:58 (eight years ago)
I like that, looking at himself, that chap feels some disgust, a little sadness and a whole lot of blankness
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 01:45 (eight years ago)
He's not looking at himself. He's watching a computer look at him. I'd feel the same, maybe less blank and more disgusted though
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:17 (eight years ago)
YOU WANNA TELL ME HOW I FEEL? MAYBE STOP SUCKING AT YOUR JOB FIRST, WINDOWS
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:18 (eight years ago)
Sorry that's very OSist, really there's no platform that doesn't have its flaws
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:19 (eight years ago)
Kind of makes you sad if you think about it
― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:20 (eight years ago)
I don't know, CP/M never gave me a blue screen.
― nickn, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 08:01 (eight years ago)
MacOS never brings me flowers
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 14:03 (eight years ago)
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/an-ai-invented-a-bunch-of-new-paint-colors-that-are-hilariously-wrong/
It's a great read, but this color list is worth it all by itself.
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Screenshot-51817-1211-PM-640x930.jpeg
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 19 May 2017 13:27 (eight years ago)
hilariously RIGHT more like
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 May 2017 13:30 (eight years ago)
Light of Blast
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 May 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)
"We're still deciding between Stanky Bean and Bank Butt for the master bedroom, but the bathroom is definitely going to be Turdly."
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 19 May 2017 13:33 (eight years ago)
poll please
― HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Friday, 19 May 2017 13:57 (eight years ago)
Burble Simp is a cool name
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 19 May 2017 14:01 (eight years ago)
Burble Simp Shrimp Company
― Dan I., Friday, 19 May 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)