Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

shakey i think the idea is that it's open knowledge in the ML community that that technology is not just possible but extant and in use

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i don't think their argument was that by making it open source, nobody would choose to use it. i think the argument is that by making it easy for everyone to do, it would throw the validity of ALL voice recordings into doubt.

the only way that the argument makes sense is if you accept as a given that the technology will exist and that at least some people will have access to it. if that's the case, and voice recordings are still accepted as a form of identification, then a situation exists where some people are able to fraudulently use synthesized voice recordings because others (credit card help line operators, judges, etc) remain clueless that the technology even exists. given that scenario, they think that offering the technology to everyone, open source, is a better alternative because everyone will realize that no voice recording can be trusted.

i'm not sure about that line of reasoning, but it's a little bit different than nuclear deterrence

i don't think they've made it open source btw

I think it's a twofold initiative: on one hand, publicizing the existence of the technology for broad distribution puts it in the public eye and invites scrutiny in cases where a convincing audio recording may be taken for granted, in situations legal or not. On the other hand, it focuses that wave of interest on their particular project, which will either benefit by increased publicity or an increase in contributors and integrators.

There's also the catch-22 of putting it out there in that increased analysis will both discover techniques that allow you to discriminate between generated audio and a legitimate recording, while giving developers the list of discernible differences they need to eliminate

There's also the catch-22 of putting it out there in that increased analysis will both discover techniques that allow you to discriminate between generated audio and a legitimate recording, while giving developers the list of discernible differences they need to eliminate

someone beat you to this idea

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/googles-dueling-neural-networks-spar-get-smarter-no-humans-required/

I did not propose codifying this in an AI but I appreciate their initiative

Making it widely available and easy to use means that people are less likely to go to jail based on bullshit expert testimony about voiceprints and shit.

i love this https://thenewinquiry.com/white-collar-crime-risk-zones/

https://medium.com/@blaisea/physiognomys-new-clothes-f2d4b59fdd6a

^^^ that's a good read. long but mostly worth it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/863836188850966529/2RaOXcFl?format=png&name=2048x2048_2_exp

World-changing

not banana

is chicago

Normalize the signal and you're banging on freon
Paleolithic eon
Put the fruit goatee on

discover techniques that allow you to discriminate between generated audio and a legitimate recording, while giving developers the list of discernible differences they need to eliminate

A classic arms race situation, because what ever science can isolate and measure can never be kept as a secret for long.

dubious "emotion detection" as ever, but impressive for in-browser, and gaze detection is good (a surprisingly hard problem apparently)

this is the best browser-based face tracking + analysis demo i've seen since clmtrackr https://t.co/6MXqwEtWDM by @VisageTech pic.twitter.com/YaXGp251Vx

— Kyle McDonald (@kcimc) May 16, 2017

I like that, looking at himself, that chap feels some disgust, a little sadness and a whole lot of blankness

He's not looking at himself. He's watching a computer look at him. I'd feel the same, maybe less blank and more disgusted though

YOU WANNA TELL ME HOW I FEEL? MAYBE STOP SUCKING AT YOUR JOB FIRST, WINDOWS

Sorry that's very OSist, really there's no platform that doesn't have its flaws

Kind of makes you sad if you think about it

I don't know, CP/M never gave me a blue screen.

MacOS never brings me flowers

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/an-ai-invented-a-bunch-of-new-paint-colors-that-are-hilariously-wrong/

It's a great read, but this color list is worth it all by itself.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Screenshot-51817-1211-PM-640x930.jpeg

hilariously RIGHT more like

Light of Blast

"We're still deciding between Stanky Bean and Bank Butt for the master bedroom, but the bathroom is definitely going to be Turdly."

poll please

Burble Simp is a cool name

Burble Simp Shrimp Company

how is this not an april fools joke
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11031451/Where-should-I-bury-my-roommate-Ask-Siri.html

Our D.C. office building got a security robot. It drowned itself.

We were promised flying cars, instead we got suicidal robots. pic.twitter.com/rGLTAWZMjn

— Bilal Farooqui (@bilalfarooqui) July 17, 2017

whoa at Siri's answer though, from that murder story - maybe AI doesn't have that much further to go after all

Whoa, whose side are you on anyway?

Just wait until we find the first AI-accountable mass grave of humans.

I mean it sounds to me like Siri has already done that, possibly multiple times

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/17/15980954/elon-musk-ai-regulation-existential-threat

someone else has been playing watch dogs 2

uh
https://www.wired.com/video/2017/07/how-a-son-made-a-chat-bot-of-his-dying-dad/

i mean everybody gets to deal with death differently and maybe it's not that different from looking at pictures in an album but really wtf

BLACK MIRROR

Bob: I can i i everything else

Alice: balls have zero to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to

Bob: you i everything else

Alice: balls have a ball to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me

http://gizmodo.com/no-facebook-did-not-panic-and-shut-down-an-ai-program-1797414922

i spend a lot of time fearing some of the repercussions of AI, especially to the extent that they're controlled by corporations.

but for once i'll revive this with a positive thought, which is that i can't fucking WAIT until the day that we can speak directly to people who speak other languages and have everything automatically translated for us so quickly that we barely have to pause. that is something that i think will happen very soon, definitely within my lifetime and probably within 5-10 years, and it will truly be life changing for many many people.

Doesn't google translate already do that?

yeah, exactly! i guess i mean cranking the voice recognition up a notch and and integrating it into more devices and platforms worldwide so that it's just kind of expected that both parties to the cross-language conversation will be familiar with the tech and ready to go. like right now, i could skype with someone in italy and awkwardly record what the other person says and dump it into google translate and then come up with my response and dump it back into translate and send it back over (or do it all via text, slightly faster), but it would be weird and cumbersome, and at the beginning of the call there would be awkward moments as we establish the procedure. but in the translation AI dreamworld, the call starts, i say hello, the other person automatically hears "ciao", they respond and I automatically hear "who the fuck are you, how did you get my #?" or whatever. the dream

uh Karl the google translate app does that, you speak and when you pause it repeats what you just said in another language

I guess you mean real-time overlay but it’s a little smarter in that it does sentence grammar things because languages put subject/verb/predicate in different orders

Well shoot, we are living in a dream. I guess the tech is already there but the social norms haven't adjusted (It still seems ridiculous to bust out a phone to use google translate in the heat of the moment)

Karl, maybe this is more like what you intended: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/AC/Baidu-s-talking-translator-gives-tourists-a-hand

I definitely wouldn't use it to discuss trade secrets or anything (although I suppose that's true with Google Translate, too).