BABY DRIVER (2017) aka, the Edgar Wright/Ansel Elgort/Kevin Spacey/Jamie Foxx pop-song-and-car-chase Walter Hill homage(?)

more like Edgar Wrong

I liked the way Foxx (or was it Hamm?) undercuts Baby's supposed innocence by pointing out that he didn't say word one about them endangering civilians until Debora showed up

I'm a little surprised folks seem to be mostly OK with Debora being such a thin character who mostly just waits around for Baby to show up

She bored me. I liked how she apparently doesn't own a cell phone.

I'm in love with Ansel Elgort and his sunglasses and skinny jeans.

My husband is too, which is why I am anticipating a rare (for us) trip to the cinema for this one.

yeah she was a cipher pretty much

the opening scene and really the first half-hour or so are so dazzling, I wish that kind of goofy spirit could have been maintained throughout, the film turns more and more generic the longer it plays.

this is an endemic problem with scriptwriting. it's much easier to be creative in your setup than in your resolution. life would be more rewarding for writers if audiences didn't demand resolutions in the third act, but were satisfied with a full exposition of unresolved complications.

I have long accepted that I am always going to love the set-up of a pop entertainment movie more than the resolution. It is why I was able to enjoy the goofy final-act revelation in Get Out, to pick the most recent example.

yeah she was a cipher pretty much

tbh romance has never been Wright's strong suit. he's much better at dealing with friendships.

The scene with Hamm in the diner in the last third was excellent.

I like Edgar Wright a lot, but there is nothing about this that looks remotely appealing to me. It seems like a parody of some post Tarantino 90's movie, except by most accounts it's not a comedy?

It's hilarious in spots. I don't often laugh watching movies.

Also, Wright is way more fun than Refn and Tarantino.

"Romance has never been Wright's strong suit" is the most charitable way to possibly account for the toxicity of Scott Pilgrim (though I'm assuming the source material is largely to blame as well), but that's another movie and another discussion.

Like, is it really another one last job ensemble heist movie?

The movie's at the service of the soundtrack, I might argue, but Wright's such a shrewd editor that Elgort moves with way more grace than Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone ever did in LLL.

"Romance has never been Wright's strong suit" is the most charitable way to possibly account for the toxicity of Scott Pilgrim

yes Scott Pilgrim has its own thread, but I would add that SP (which I recently rewatched) contains about 10,000 references to its main character being an asshole which really helps

I kept thinking this must have been an exacting nightmare to edit but I'm sure Wright was slick enough to make it as easy as possible

I think the main reason the movie disappointed me (even though I really enjoyed it for the most part) is the trailer made me think more of the film would be Baby and his love interest escaping his former life rather than it being tacked on at the very end.

some other details too bothered me, like why the corrupt cop gunrunners wouldn't first disarm the people they were planning to sell to.

this movie is v much not grounded in reality but v much a universe that exists only in crime movies (and it's a good thing in this case cos grounding woulda sunk this one fast).

it's a good thing in this case cos grounding woulda sunk this one fast).

and yet Baby likes the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion.

funny to see Sky Ferriera play Baby's mom, I can't recall if she had any dialogue but I guess for whatever reason it was important to Wright that the woman singing on the MOM tape was the same one actually playing the character.

One of the things I really like about Wright's movies and screenplays is how they tend to be strongly anchored by an actual moral, without ever feeling overdetermined or po-faced about it (being really funny helps). This keeps him in sharp contrast to his snarky/nihilistic, heavily postmodern peers. You could argue that "passivity is tantamount to complicity" is the moral to BD but the love story gets in the way of that and undercuts that strength a bit. (I should stress again that I liked this, it's just my least fave of his features.)

an awful lot of fatal car accidents happen in movies while people are driving and arguing simultaneously

also did I miss it, but why did Spacey talk about how he never uses the same crew twice other than Baby and then he re-uses Hamm and Gonzalez again 30 minutes later?

or did he just mean "exact configuration" i.e. Batts was subbed in for Griff so that = "new crew" even tho it was only 25% diff

also did I miss it, but why did Spacey talk about how he never uses the same crew twice other than Baby and then he re-uses Hamm and Gonzalez again 30 minutes later?

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal)

would you ever work with Flea again?

can I just

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or did he just mean "exact configuration" i.e. Batts was subbed in for Griff so that = "new crew" even tho it was only 25% diff

this is how I took it.

First half great

Second half shit

Scott Pilgrim is a perfect, incredible movie.

I really wish the MIchael Myers mask thing hadn't been in the trailer cos it woulda been a lot funnier just showing up cold mid-movie

I feel like blind foster dad shoulda been like "dude I am already not ok with u robbin shit but at least if yr gonna do i can I like benefit from it and live somewhere decent"

Every character in this is a cipher fyi

I kind of expected that going in tho

this wasn't too horribly different from Driver other than I feel like this was a better movie and Gosling's character liked to use stealth rather than do doughnuts on the highway

It was transporter more than driver but it isn't as subtle or as adult in its themes or relationships as transporter

Wished the movie kept up the energy of the first half hour but whatcanyado. It was still a fun watch

Is it named after the Simon & Garfunkel song?

yes it plays over the credits

Lily Collins is more of a MPDG than anyone in Scott Pilgrim was

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 18:43

Lily James.

I enjoyed this, it moved along well but I do wish it had something a little bit more to it.

Only complaint is Hamm doing the "you can't hide from me" thing later on.

I do wish it had something a little bit more to it.

yeah, i don't want a ticket purchase for this to result in more films like it being made.

you chuckleheads should be discussing Walter Hill's The Driver rather than that ludicrous POS Drive, get yr titles right.

that kid's legs are too thin, Alfred.

yeah, i don't want a ticket purchase for this to result in more films like it being made.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius),

What, decent Hollywood froth for once?

that kid's legs are too thin, Alfred.

So were McCrea's.

Wright's a big Hill fan, but I see Streets of Fire in this more than The Driver.

i need to watch Streets of Fire, thx

sacrilege to compare a boy to Joel McCrea

You're in luck: SOF recently got a Blu-ray reissue, I believe.

And you can dream about it.

If I can hold it just right!

i didn't like this at all really. clever-clever w/o being clever. careless about violence. terrible dancing. cutesy and shallow instead of 'archetypical' or w/e. 90s in a bad way. jamie foxx was great though.

i did like how it was really in atlanta instead of an anono-city, but that only highlights some unappealing racial attitudes in the thing.

no you're a terrible dancer

Anyone see Triple 9, the John Hillcoat Atlanta set Heist Thriller with Casey Affleck and Gal Gadot?

loss of hearing due to years of listening to Harvey Keitel yelling

that reminds me, i've been meaning to ask for a while if non-uk ilxors are aware of harvey keitel's embarrassing reprisal of the character of winston wolf in a series of godawful ads for insurance which have been running for a few years in the ol' blighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRTSd-ppQFQ

wow

Oh shit they didn't...

They didn't know

lol my thoughts exactly

First car chase: great
Everything else: terrible

Even Kevin Spacey getting run over by a Suburban?

I haven’t gotten to that but as of the Post Office robbery it’s just getting worse and worse.

three of the car chases are good and the opening titles are fun iirc

Elgort, Spacey, HMMMMMMMMMM

tbf Spacey's character has an inappropriate interest in a young twink whose employment conditions he controls and whom he manipulates

milo is 100%

this was dreadful after the first scene, which is an all time classic

absolutely one of the most insufferable films ever made

I thought this was really bad, but it kind of made me appreciate how good/charismatic Kevin Spacey and Jamie Foxx are in that it's still just about watchable when they're on screen. Jon Hamm is pretty good, but not good enough to ever momentarily fool you into thinking you're watching a movie that isn't bad.

Sometimes I feel I can only really calibrate how good an actor is when they're in something terrible, I thought the same thing about Tom Hanks in Turner & Hooch.

you are dead wrong about hamm and merely 98% wrong about spacey tbh

Kevin Spacey is not charismatic unless you are super into Kevin Spacey.

He is the actor equivalent of turning over a log in the woods and realizing there is some sort of horrible growth underneath.

Spacey was perfect in Glengarry Glen Ross, bitchy in The Ref, outstanding in L.A. Confidential, and perfectly cast here. His last Oscar win kicked off one of the most doleful run of films I've ever seen.

Jon Spencer did the heavy lifting

I’m not mad that I saw it, but will never see it again, and am not psyched about the director.

Edgar Wright is very good at moving the camera. But I always come away from his movies thinking that "I figured out a cool way to move the camera" was the sum total of his emotional investment in the project.

Baby and the Waitress were zeroes but Hamm and Foxx were shockingly bad.

Pretty bad movie

I’ll probably never see it again but the Barry White diner sequence was pretty masterful

I'm a sucker for the goofy tape editing scene ("was he slow..sl-sl-slow?")

I realise now that I've been mentally conflating this film and Drive into one not very good movie, maybe because I saw them both on planes. Also because they're both shite.

Baby Driver was a fine holiday weekend watch seven years ago, had no need to watch it again except for the opening scene, which I teach as an example of modern sound design + editing. Nothing loathsome about it except for the chicken hawk + twink subtext.

I liked Baby Driver fine. It was fun.

Drive suuuuucked.

This and Hell Or High Water are shining examples of the new subgenre of "Post-Concealed Carry Heist Films"

Concealed carrying a $40k MP5 in the passenger seat of your work truck

A marginally less shitty version of this movie is where that guy was working for another criminal organization who were laundering money at that bank and Spacey & Crew have to survive pissing off Los Zetas or something.

why is it called “baby driver”

Boss Baby got fired and had to take up driving UberEats to pay the bills.

hell or high water is a great movie tho, especially if you go in with the correct attitude "this is a real potluck vhs rental type movie"

This entire film was predicated on Wright having heard that one cool drum break in "Bellbottoms" and wanting to make a movie with a car chase scene with that in it.
And it has about as much content as that premise allows.

Concealed carrying a $40k MP5 in the passenger seat of your work truck

The Future Republicans Want!

I loved Baby Driver & it made me cry!

The premise that as fast as you run, you can never run away from yourself & wherever you go, there you are was meaningful to me, hit me pretty hard for a high adrenaline popcorn movie

John Waters loved it too

The one thing I didn't like - some of the "good" song choices are a little heavy handed

Remember thinking, based on some of the song choices, 'I'll bet the director is a huge Sparks fan' whadda ya know

I have not enjoyed any of his other movies oh well.