Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

To be fair...

I don't like "bucket list" anyway, but I really, really hate it when people use it in the context of "stuff I want to do this summer." (i.e. I just saw someone post on FB about their "2017 bucket list.") The entire original context was STUFF YOU WANT TO DO BEFORE YOU KICK THE BUCKET.

Interesting discussion about comedy.

I think I'm on board with Mordy's point that we shouldn't confuse 'whether this joke makes us laugh' with 'whether we should laugh at this joke'. (Have I parsed this properly?)

What seems to be hovering in the background is the idea of the 'sick joke' - a type of joke we shouldn't laugh at, but which we will have to laugh at, because it's inherently funny. I'm wondering if such a perfectly funny joke exists - one that's guaranteed to make us laugh. Or whether the actual physical thing of laughing, the literal movement of muscles and mouth on picking up a joke through the ears, etc, whether what will cause that is not inherent but relative.

^ Terrible phrasing there but that's about as close as I can get to what I wanna ask.

It seems like a crucial thing to try and work out if we were going to make a decision about how, when and where people should laugh, if there should be penalties for laughing at any point, and so on. Because if some things just make all humans everywhere laugh involuntarily then ... but if on the other hand human laughter is programmed/(re)programmable, then ...

That joke is in the first category

If there is a third category, it's the joke that mainly makes us laugh because we know it is in the second category

We thought the banana peel gag was universally funny until we thought about the implications of imperialism.

It's been mentioned already but I keep seeing "virtue signalling" everywhere now and it seems to mean "not being a cunt".

no, it means ostentatiously demonstrating that you are a "good one" for the appreciation of others. pretty much all callout culture is "virtue signaling" since yelling at someone on twitter has yet in history to produce any effect beyond self-aggrandizement.

Uh think you'll find Gandhi yelled at Britain on Twitter that time embarrassed 4u

as a phrase it can be used correctly and incorrectly but it should be useful for everyone. virtue signalling can noise and distraction to a the forwarding of cause. it may prompt a response from the other side that will be equally as aggressive. it can be counter productive to a real honest open dialog.

I've been seeing it recently as the newest version of calling someone a social justice warrior.

I'm kind of amazed "woke" hasn't been taken away by the alt-right and firmly associated with them yet.

It's so ridiculous and delicious that the right probably think it's best left where it is I'd say

lol I see "woke" more often used as a term of mockery than sincerity

'Woke' has lost all sincerity, if it had it to begin with, a long time ago

I've never seen "woke" used positively. Not even in the way people will call themselves a social justice warrior jokingly.

I've been seeing it recently as the newest version of calling someone a social justice warrior.

― Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Monday, 10 July 2017 23:50 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is of course what I was talking about but thanks for patronisingly explaining what it means like I'm some kind of fucking moron.

You noticed that too.

Well, sorry, that wasn't what I meant at all. Apparently I am stupid.

Sorry doo dah, that wasn't directed at you!

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2016/07/woke-baes-bracket

the right has definitely seized on "virtue signalling" in the uk, to the point of it being almost unusable if you don't want to seem like someone aligned with them. do feel we need a phrase to describe some of the egotistical humblebrag attempts at progressive behaviour that twitter throws up. the amount of, for example, creepy male feminists patronisingly praising women all day or even retweeting posts that bemoan the behaviour of men - that's a pretty good example - someone acting as if talking a lot about other people's suffering means they aren't a member of a privileged group of society. which isn't to say don't talk about it but maybe don't assume you're part of the solution, imo.

to the point of it being almost unusable if you don't want to seem like someone aligned with them

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:55

I hate how much of an issue this has become. People have become way too presumptuous. Just going back a few years ago I see people using all sorts of terms that they wouldn't touch today, not because they're horrible but because the shitty right uses them more.

"Cuck" is about the only recent term that makes me fairly confident the person using it is a total jerk if they're using it unironically.

Wokebraggery is the best I've come up with.

But really, it's probably best if all these standard insults are avoided.

Everything becomes tarnished so quickly and Donald Trump will be calling people "woke" eventually.

do feel we need a phrase to describe some of the egotistical humblebrag attempts at progressive behaviour

in fact, the left invented just such a phrase. it is "politically correct". good luck finding any gentle self-deprecation ever among left-ish political bedfellows that that will not be weaponized immediately by the whining entitled hordes of right-wing bullshittery

why doesn't this work the other way, you ask? why doesn't the left have this facility for turning the right's self-deprecation on itself? because they are not reflective enough to deprecate themselves in the first place!

There's "cuckservative" but that's complaining that some conservatives are too liberal and its completely disgusting.

because demonizing the right and their methods is too useful. it provides a boogeyman to market during election cycles. it helps avoid self-reflection on how the left is complicit in an oppressive system. it promotes the divide and conquer mentality. a bunch of other reasons too.

there are many factional disputes in conservatism, with lots of hilarious newly coined words used to described enemies, but since they all look like the same assholes to me (us) it's hard to discern.

"describe"

I hate how much of an issue this has become. People have become way too presumptuous. Just going back a few years ago I see people using all sorts of terms that they wouldn't touch today, not because they're horrible but because the shitty right uses them more.

"Cuck" is about the only recent term that makes me fairly confident the person using it is a total jerk if they're using it unironically.

Wokebraggery is the best I've come up with.

yeah i mean maybe it's different but in the uk recently i've seen people use "virtue-signalling" to denounce those highlighting the injustice of the grenfell tower fire, among other watershed uses. i feel the same way about "social justice warrior" - there are mild and frivolous instances of people behaving in a silly manner in the name of social justice but if ever i hear "social justice warrior" in person the discussion the user is instigating quickly starts to spiral into other faintly alt-right places, like shades of men's rights or whatever.

what scares me about this is i've noticed it in some ostensibly normal friends of friends types who come across as left-leaning, and it's like wherever they get their news and info all this damaging coded language is creeping in, and they themselves seem to have no idea that the person across the table this codes as alt-right, or on the spectrum towards it.

It seems a bit harsh to judge people as alt-right fellow travelers for using descriptive terms that have been co-opted by jerks in some cyberrealm they are probably unaware of.

That's part of why I think some are too presumptuous about people who use some of these terms. There's a lot of people who don't have all this context and don't spend much time online to get all these developments.

yeah fair enough, it's less judging them as that more just a sense that some of the views behind some of those who use those terms had sort of seeped into the person alongside the terms.

is virtue signalling just moralising?

It's a social climbing display of it

feel like there are a few difft things in play here - - - there have always been left bros who want to stroke their own egos by showing off how leftward and woke they are, and the internet has made this more visible/easy, and now there are new names for that. okay fine. but that's kind of different tho from saying that all "callout culture" is pointless BS. there are lots of legit reasons to call out bullshit and shitty behavior that are not reducible to "i want to stroke my own ego" or "i think this will lead directly to change of the thing i am calling out." to be clear, as with some of this other stuff, afaict very few published uses of "callout culture" are not pejorative strawman articles whose authors are contemptuous of the groups/communities/movements under discussion in the first place.

idk it seemed like a bit of a leap from topic A to topic B but i don't really want to devote myself full-time to defending recently-emergent social justice practices from the charge of political correctness gone mad.

iiuc, "virtue signaling" is changing your Facebook profile to pink or rainbow or tricoleur or whatever, but otherwise changing exactly nothing. It is a thing; not sure it needs to be called precisely that.

afaict very few published uses of "callout culture" are not pejorative strawman articles whose authors are contemptuous of the groups/communities/movements under discussion in the first place.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:42

It's difficult to really gauge any of these things. There are thousands of online communities and it's hard to take anybody's word for how bad or how exaggerated a problem is.

Woke douches are a problem but I'm less worried about them than the really vicious bullies that use a good cause to excuse their actions. They're fewer and further between than alt-right trolls but they can have a chilling effect on communities.

Ye Mad Puffin- I wouldn't say putting on a rainbow profile counts for nothing but virtue signalling is supposed to be a more obnoxious display, like some person taking every opportunity to tell you how many black and gay friends they've got.

there are lots of legit reasons to call out bullshit and shitty behavior that are not reducible to "i want to stroke my own ego" or "i think this will lead directly to change of the thing i am calling out."

????

if you're not doing it to effect change and you're not doing it to stroke your ego why are you doing it???

I think Doctor Casino was describing those who act as if their criticisms will deal out a killing or penultimate blow to a problem.

in reviews: "one of the pleasures of..." this novel/movie/album/restaurant.

too lofty and grand-sounding, just get to the point

if you're not doing it to effect change and you're not doing it to stroke your ego why are you doing it???

― Mordy, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:53 AM (nine minutes ago)

getting laid, avoiding being called out as complicit/silent on a subject, looking busy at work

the first 2 are for sure virtue signaling!!!

Would be funny if someone's whole online persona was just the result of trying to look busy at work.