Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

I'm pretty miffed at how the definition of mansplaining has changed since Shakespeare's time.

so many of them use "doubt" to mean "probably".

I've never heard of this. How is it used?

I think most of the annoyance here is about words and phrases (and memes) used endlessly on social media that may have been clever or meaningful the first hundred or so times but now seem like the sped-up equivalent of someone at work saying "Well, Isn't that Special" or "Not that there's anything wrong with that" everyday for ten years and still thinking it's hilarious.

JMM- "I doubt it's going to rain today" means "it's probably going to rain today".

Has the alt-right changed mansplaining and now feminists are afraid to use it for fear of looking misogynistic?

If you gave a million sensitive young ppl a typewriter and ten years they'll ultimately produce the works of tumblr.

@ President Keyes - I could understand that I guess, just all the experience I have with "mansplain" is in situations like a friend on facebook venting about some asshole customer that was mansplaining how to do their job. like the actual reason the word caught on. i have seen two, possibly three posts like that this week from friends, and none of the "well isn't that Special?" variety so maybe I am in some weird bubble but idk.

Emancipatory complaining.

sigh

JMM- "I doubt it's going to rain today" means "it's probably going to rain today".

Come again?

i was irked by this recent piece https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/goops-misogynistic-mansplaining-hit-job/amp/ which uses it despite no obvious sexism from the man, just idiocy and greed.

it goes beyond condescension into "how dare you threaten my money, FLAME ON"

Suddenly I never want to hear "adjacent" or "-adjacent" ever again.

I think most of the annoyance here is about words and phrases (and memes) used endlessly on social media that may have been clever or meaningful the first hundred or so times but now seem like the sped-up equivalent of someone at work saying "Well, Isn't that Special" or "Not that there's anything wrong with that" everyday for ten years and still thinking it's hilarious.

Used to work with someone who when you asked him how are you, would reply "not three bad". Unfailingly.

x post dmac

For my own entertainment mostly in revisiting a slightly ludicrous meta-example of mansplaining.

I think there's a thing where 'masplaining' is used in twitter(and other social media) to basically means something like "no backsies x infinty", as this way of preemptively categorising any and all disagreement with your position as illegitimate - and this is part of why it can irk? (I think this technique of constructing elaborate reasons why all disagreement with you is automatically bad and wrong is something all "sides" do on social media, it's not specific to social justice language, but a lot of people's exposure to social justice jargon comes primarily from when it's being used in this way, maybe?)

"think there's a thing where 'masplaining' is used in twitter(and other social media) arguments" that should say

JMM- "I doubt it's going to rain today" means "it's probably going to rain today".

Come again?

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:38

When my family members or people who work with them says "I doubt those pipes need changed" it means "those pipes probably need changing".

I don't know how far this extends.

Dr c is a good poster and not a bot and I say this as at least a member of the perceived sjw haterz on ilx and itt

Luna that is a good clarification and ftr I will now not fp that important cultural post

shucks. thanks.

Dr. C can you click the squares with traffic signs on them?

"We can/can't have nice things" is awful

The word balm used to describe music.

No

Is there a word for the verbification of nouns and not-verb phrases and whatnot? I mean, I'm complicit as anyone cuz I say "Google it," but most of the time it makes my skin crawl. Today's example, from the big Adobe press release:

"...Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash."

No. I hate this.

that's a weird non-euphemism I must say. 'kill off' would actually be better

I think it has a specific meaning-- a little different than end-of-sale or end-of-service

People in my world sometimes say "deprecated."

Verbification is common in corporate jargon. it's also a naturally occurring English language thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_(word_formation)#Verbing

RAG that is a well attested regional variation in the UK: in shropshire where I grew up the older country people absolutely use "doubt" just as you describe

i like it, but i like nearly everything that ppl hate on this thread, basically everyone is allowed on my lawn

that is so weird.

the doubt thing, i mean

Thanks,I didn't think anyone would follow up on this one. It can't considered a correct usage surely? Maybe it goes back a very long way?

If it performs its function, then it's a correct usage imo. I'm just curious whether it ever causes confusion.

i've never heard the doubt thing and i can't really get my head around it -- is it supposed to be like ironic/sarcastic? bc it seems to mean the opposite of what it is saying?

herefordshire too (from the 19th century): http://www.melocki.org.uk/MelockiWords.html (scroll down to "doubt")

i'm p sure i remember my dad saying it was more widespread than just shropshire, but i don't now remember if he meant it spread beyond the agricultural west midlands

not sarcastic at all: straightforwardly used as per the example in the link

We're around Glasgow so it has to be quite widespread then.

do u think maybe it started as "i don't doubt" and the "don't" fell out?

SOED says the verb "to doubt" had a secondary form meaning "to dread", "to fear", "to apprehend" or "to suspect", already poetic in the 19th century, now archaic (example: "They doubted some sinister motive", History of the Reign of Ferdinand and Isabella, the Catholic, Volume 2, William Hickling Prescott)

the example in the herefordshire wordlist does actually suggest a negative tone: "there'll be more wet, i doubt" meaning "there'll be more wet, i fear" (though it translates it as neutral: "there'll be more wet, i think")

can't now think if the times i noted it (all from one person, a very rural old farmer who lived nearby) back that up, or if it really did just drift towards "i believe"

I've never heard this doubt thing before, weird

Yeah, neither have I, sounds like a more rural usage than Glasgow, maybe Ayrshire?

Verbification is... a naturally occurring English language thing.

Yeah lots of people see an instance of new verbing and they're like HORRID CORPORATE NEOLOGISM THAT MUST BE STOPPED.

But even a casual look through OED at dates-of-entry for words you currently know and love will show that you use thousands of verbed nouns AND nouned verbs every day.

Tom D- It's the rural areas around greater glasgow. My brother will like this, it's always drove both of us nuts.

Bordering glasgow

Yes, sounds like a rural Lowland Scots thing.

never heard this doubt thing either and my parents are from glasgow

I used to hear similar things in Paisley, a lingering Ayrshire/rural Renfrewshire influence before its disappearance into Glaswegian. (xp)

yer man scott (walter) is another of the examples the SOED gives: "i doubt, i doubt, i have been beguiled" from chap.7 of the antiquary (which is set near edinburgh in the late 18th century)

(the antiquary looks quite good, it is full of gothic ruins and has a german villain called douster-swivel)

Bordering Glasgow

I see what you did.

I don't. Please tell me.

do u think maybe it started as "i don't doubt" and the "don't" fell out?

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:29 PM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It def feels this way, "no doubt" with "no" having disappeared through the ages