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― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link
xpOne thing that struck me as I skimmed that article (sorry, work) is the notion that more people haven't called out Lynch's version of "normal". I don't agree that it's in need of calling out really, because the white picket fence families in his stuff (Earth based stuff anyway) are kind of archetypes anyway. They don't seem real or normal to me, and it's not like I "relate" to the facade of the Palmer's family life, or Janey & Dougie or whoever. They're almost like blank canvases on which Lynch can paint surreal, nightmarish shadow versions of those peoples' lives.
What's "dated" about this is that hyper-stylized version of an American family really only exists on commercials, or via nostalgia for people who grew up in the 50s and 60s. Haha, or for the kind of suburban white Americans who would probably never watch Twin Peaks.
― Dominique, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link
an upstanding upper-middle class pillar of a white community raping and murdering his daughter...while possessed by what appears to be a longhaired grease monkey.― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:16 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
...while possessed by what appears to be a longhaired grease monkey.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:16 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's probably significant here that Fire Walk with Me, which was Lynch's last word on the Twin Peaks universe until very recently, implies that Leland was considerably more abusive and symbiotically linked to BOB than the series lets on.
― one way street, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Yes, obv the TP series' vision of 'normal' directly derives from '50s/early '60s pop culture, even in the casting of actors from the period like Beymer, Tamblyn, Piper Laurie, Chamberlain, Don Murray. (ditto Blue Velvet)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
from Amy Taubin's Cannes report in the current Film Comment, where the first two eps of TP 2.0 were screened:
"I wish I could be interested in Lynch’s fiddling with CGI, his overworking of his actors’ glottal stops, and his evocation of Mystery Science Theater 3000, the symptomology of Alzheimer’s disease, and, more generally, castration anxiety. But I’m not."
She did like the new Top of the Lake.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 17:19 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That last sentence is a kicker and a half. New top of the lake is appalling
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
i think the essay's thesis (that lynch is working from a notion that middle class wasp life is normal and everything outside of it is deviant/horrifying) is easily countered with numerous examples from his films and also his own life. if anything, he often seems to conjure up that perception of normality only to subvert the living hell out of it.
but i also think it's silly to pretend that he doesn't have longstanding "issues" with how he presents people with physical and mental disabilities, and issues with not portraying people of color at all. lynch is really good at offering up visions of the "normal" life and then subverting them, because he often does so in deliberate, drawn out subtle ways (yes, i know it often ends in very unsubtle ways). but he frequently doesn't offer up that same subtlety to his "weird" characters. i think the essay is correct to point out that he often uses disability as a signifier of "otherness". but again...sometimes he does show immense compassion for these characters. as morbs said, he has a long career and there are plenty of counterexamples.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
lmao i essentially said what shakey said on morbs' facebook post
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
New rule. Only allowed to post 'c' or 'd' in these threads.
Posting thinkpieces = ban, the wronger the longer
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
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― Karl Malone, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
that's a real message but it's in binary so get your punch card supercomputers out of the closet
Oh I've no doubt there's already twenty posts in the TP thread about it hey
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
This is true, but on the other hand, FWWM also presents Deer Meadow, which is like a nastier version of Twin Peaks and … at the same time a whole lot lower down the socio-economic scale. Maybe it has a light underbelly we never get to see.
― Alba, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:09 (seven years ago) link
Carl is positively angelic in TP:TR
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
And I love Lynch, but I'm not sure he's done a lot for the image of hobos.
― Alba, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
But he's moved his trailer park from Deer Meadow to Twin Peaks ha ha.
― Alba, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link
Recently saw Ellen Page accused of being an imperialist colonialist.
I think David Wants To Fly is probably the worst we'll see of Lynch.
Didn't Lynch's interview with the Palmer family suggest Leland was not guilty of abuse?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
Given these elements of Lynch’s work, it is baffling that more people have not critiqued the filmmaker’s normative sensibilities.
I stopped reading the essay here, because I feel like critiques of Lynch's normative sensibilities have been a staple of the Lynch discourse for as long as I can remember. "Is David Lynch sexist/racist/exploitative" is probably the most well-worn corner of Lynch criticism. The essay's argument is a surface argument and it's fine as far as it goes, but plenty of ppl love Lynch who also find him troubling and sometimes indefensible. I mean, if you don't find him troubling I'm not sure what you even get from his work. Of course it's troubling.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
According to... Leland
― streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
Who was created by lynch!
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link
wait a sec, does this refer to Gordon Cole interviewing the Palmers? xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link
It was Lynch as himself interviewing the Palmer family for a special feature.
Horror troubling and bigotry troubling are very different reasons?
Watched Fire Walk With Me recently and wondered whether Sarah is somehow sleeping through Laura's screaming or if she's been ignoring the abuse.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link
i already know about "I am the FBI" ... very funny to hear of it choking up left-wing friends who may be on watchlists. :)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
Sarah is somehow sleeping through Laura's screaming
this is the case, leland is drugging her
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:33 AM (twenty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh no the cognitive dissonance i'm experiencing in this fictional story!!!!!!!!!!!
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link
it's familiar, but it's still funny.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
Sure, but not unconnected. A lot of fear is about the unknown/unfamiliar.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link
the FBI in Twin Peaks bears virtually no relationship to the actual irl FBI
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
It's probably worth noting the posts in the cosmic horror thread where people cogently explain why they wouldn't conflate Lynch's worldview with e.g. Lovecraft's.
― Glengarry Glen Marshall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
like, enjoying that line has nothing to do with the actual FBI and everything to do with the character's position in this fictional universe
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
xxp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
Since when has the context of a line of dialogue ever mattered? Since never, that's when.
― Glengarry Glen Marshall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
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― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
the line in the article about Mike evoking otherness through his disability just seems wrong on many levels
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
Didn't he cut off his own arm to rid himself of BOB?
― Moodles, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
enjoying that line has nothing to do with the actual FBI and everything to do with the character's position in this fictional universe
YEAH THX I'M DUMB
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
christ i fucking hate this place sometimes
wellllll, they have the same name...
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
sorta like the FBI in Mississippi Burning
I keep forgetting that David Lynch directed a Sparks video
― streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
I didn't know that! nuts
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
I think there's some Christian homily that applies here let's see if you can figure it out
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
I caught a lunch interview - think it was Charlie rose idk- yesterday from around the time of lost highway
Now I wanna watch more good lynch interviews. Any recommendations?
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link
The documentary films the art life and lynch one and the quinoa video
― streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
It's not filmed, but Chris Rodley's series of interviews in Lynch on Lynch is essential reading.
― one way street, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
Hmm the art life is available +#**around the place*#-+ y/n
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
Art Life is good
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
lynch one
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link
you got me Shakey, i'm not a Christian anymore
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Lapsed democrat
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
― streeps of range (wins), Thursday, August 31, 2017 2:04 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
WHAT
― flappy bird, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link