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Carl is positively angelic in TP:TR

But he's moved his trailer park from Deer Meadow to Twin Peaks ha ha.

Alba, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:12 (seven years ago) link

Recently saw Ellen Page accused of being an imperialist colonialist.

I think David Wants To Fly is probably the worst we'll see of Lynch.

Didn't Lynch's interview with the Palmer family suggest Leland was not guilty of abuse?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link

Given these elements of Lynch’s work, it is baffling that more people have not critiqued the filmmaker’s normative sensibilities.

I stopped reading the essay here, because I feel like critiques of Lynch's normative sensibilities have been a staple of the Lynch discourse for as long as I can remember. "Is David Lynch sexist/racist/exploitative" is probably the most well-worn corner of Lynch criticism. The essay's argument is a surface argument and it's fine as far as it goes, but plenty of ppl love Lynch who also find him troubling and sometimes indefensible. I mean, if you don't find him troubling I'm not sure what you even get from his work. Of course it's troubling.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link

Didn't Lynch's interview with the Palmer family suggest Leland was not guilty of abuse?

According to... Leland

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link

Who was created by lynch!

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link

wait a sec, does this refer to Gordon Cole interviewing the Palmers? xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

It was Lynch as himself interviewing the Palmer family for a special feature.

Horror troubling and bigotry troubling are very different reasons?

Watched Fire Walk With Me recently and wondered whether Sarah is somehow sleeping through Laura's screaming or if she's been ignoring the abuse.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link

i already know about "I am the FBI" ... very funny to hear of it choking up left-wing friends who may be on watchlists. :)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link

Sarah is somehow sleeping through Laura's screaming

this is the case, leland is drugging her

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link

i already know about "I am the FBI" ... very funny to hear of it choking up left-wing friends who may be on watchlists. :)

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:33 AM (twenty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh no the cognitive dissonance i'm experiencing in this fictional story!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link

it's familiar, but it's still funny.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link

Horror troubling and bigotry troubling are very different reasons?

Sure, but not unconnected. A lot of fear is about the unknown/unfamiliar.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link

the FBI in Twin Peaks bears virtually no relationship to the actual irl FBI

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link

It's probably worth noting the posts in the cosmic horror thread where people cogently explain why they wouldn't conflate Lynch's worldview with e.g. Lovecraft's.

Glengarry Glen Marshall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link

like, enjoying that line has nothing to do with the actual FBI and everything to do with the character's position in this fictional universe

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link

xxp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link

Since when has the context of a line of dialogue ever mattered? Since never, that's when.

Glengarry Glen Marshall (Old Lunch), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link

the line in the article about Mike evoking otherness through his disability just seems wrong on many levels

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link

Didn't he cut off his own arm to rid himself of BOB?

Moodles, Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link

enjoying that line has nothing to do with the actual FBI and everything to do with the character's position in this fictional universe

YEAH THX I'M DUMB

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

christ i fucking hate this place sometimes

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

the FBI in Twin Peaks bears virtually no relationship to the actual irl FBI

wellllll, they have the same name...

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link

sorta like the FBI in Mississippi Burning

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link

I keep forgetting that David Lynch directed a Sparks video

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link

I didn't know that! nuts

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link

YEAH THX I'M DUMB

I think there's some Christian homily that applies here let's see if you can figure it out

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link

I caught a lunch interview - think it was Charlie rose idk- yesterday from around the time of lost highway

Now I wanna watch more good lynch interviews. Any recommendations?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:23 (seven years ago) link

The documentary films the art life and lynch one and the quinoa video

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link

It's not filmed, but Chris Rodley's series of interviews in Lynch on Lynch is essential reading.

one way street, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link

Hmm the art life is available +#**around the place*#-+ y/n

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link

Art Life is good

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link

lynch one

Karl Malone, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link

you got me Shakey, i'm not a Christian anymore

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link

Lapsed democrat

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link

I keep forgetting that David Lynch directed a Sparks video

― streeps of range (wins), Thursday, August 31, 2017 2:04 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WHAT

flappy bird, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link

ikr

I haven't seen it

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link

The director's identity seems to be in dispute, but you can draw yr own conclusions:

https://youtu.be/TH5USLpPa_0[

one way street, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

Sorry, that should be:

https://youtu.be/TH5USLpPa_0

one way street, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

@darragh - here are some sweet ones:

circa 1990, career overview, interviews Lynch & close associates, really really great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On02Z42mznc

circa 2005-06, behind the scenes & making of Inland Empire. lots of stuff about process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0OzpEjUPU

flappy bird, Thursday, 31 August 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

Ah lovely, thanks!

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:04 (seven years ago) link

yeah no...

‘I Predict’ came with a striking video that fell foul of the conservatism of MTV. Directed in the style of David Lynch by group friends, identical twins and occasional actors Doug and Steve Martin, it is crammed full of strangeness. Shot in a dimly lit bar outside LA, Ron, in drag, develops the bride theme from the album’s cover with Russell still wearing the cover’s wedding suit. And Ron is stripping. And Russell is watching. Something is clearly not right. With the attendant promotion and the video’s notoriety, ‘I Predict’ reached number 60 on the Billboard Hot 100. Sparks had finally achieved a US Top 100 single after a decade of trying.

Talent Is An Asset: The Story Of Sparks
Daryl Ealesa

Doug Martin
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0552220/

Steve Martin
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0553094/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link

Just posted this in the TP thread

https://youtu.be/nu6BUQUDjII

And I know lots of people can't stand Mark Cousins, but this has some good moments

https://youtu.be/MIlmdLPUdpg

Priory, Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link

xpost: The Martin twins from that same year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRbeBV5UEZU

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link

My bad, I was taking as my source the Sparks biography by Dave Thompson, which I've been re-skimming in anticipation of seeing them later this month. Pretty big thing for a biographer to get wrong!

streeps of range (wins), Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link

that article posted up above is pretty lame. talk about starting from a bad premise and cherry picking evidence.

i do think there is something to be said for critics vicariously using Lynch as a scapegoat to work out/indulge some inner kinks and moral shaming but this guy seems to miss that point entirely.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 31 August 2017 23:18 (seven years ago) link

Other characters from the White Lodge are similarly tokenised—The Man from Another Place (Michael J. Anderson) has osteogenesis imperfecta and The Fireman’s (Carel Struycken) height is the result of acromegaly.

right and the correct thing to do would be not feature these actors at all so as not to be accused of tolkenism

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 31 August 2017 23:23 (seven years ago) link

you dont have to cherry pick shit! the only black ppl in the new tp (out of a cast of hundreds) are literally
- a hooker
- a jazz band
- ernie hudson

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 31 August 2017 23:30 (seven years ago) link

tbf it's only tolkenism if hobbits are involved

Οὖτις, Thursday, 31 August 2017 23:32 (seven years ago) link

you can admit there are issues with representation without jumping to the dumb conclusion that David Lynch wants to enforce normality and everything weird in his movies is to be looked at with condescension.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 31 August 2017 23:37 (seven years ago) link


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