David Lynch - Classic or Dud

Oh, I mangled that a bit. I was definitely that kid in the back seat of a car a few times as a teen, so maybe I'm projecting but probably not totally.

although i will say it is strange that the original series had more black actors than The Return.

― flappy bird, Friday, 1 September 2017 03:08

I watched it all recently and I think there was more people of colour in general. Mostly great northern employees, law people and doctors in minor speaking roles.

Has anyone seen his Duran Duran movie?

I have. I didn't like it, and couldn't really detect any sort of lynch influence on it. It was hard to believe he was involved. But I don't really like Duran Duran beyond the hitz and I was bored and turned it off about a quarter of the way through, so maybe bloodcurdling Duran Duran horror takes place later on and I missed it

the powermad speed metal --> "love me" sequence in wild at heart, with the girl screaming in ecstasy sample triggered over and over, is david lynch's sense of humor at its very best

btw here is the story of how powermad became involved with lynch and wild at heart (among many other detours): http://nightflight.com/rock-stories-wild-at-heart-director-david-lynch-meets-powermad/

That Metal/Elvis scene is one of my favorite things he’s ever done. Feel very alone in rating Wild at Heart higher than seemingly everyone.

It's definitely gone from overrated to underrated.

I rewatched it recently and liked it a lot more than I thought I would. The way the story is broken up into flashbacks and oddball detours gives the film a weird flow. Hopefully they'll put out a fancy edition with all of the deleted stuff. Since The Return, we've been plowing through everything he's done chronologically. It all fits together well and more or less equally for me. Dune is the only one that really sticks out. And Duran Duran.

The Cowboy & The Frenchman was one of the best surprises.

The Cowboy and Frenchman is still randomly quoted (probably incorrectly) amongst some dork friends of mine thanks to a random drunken late night screening of his shorts eons ago. It struck us as super funny at the moment. Almost don’t want to revisit it.

I understand the criticisms of Wild at Heart, but it’s kinda Lynch’s most blown out Audio/Visual MTV Experience and it’s totally thrilling on that level.

I don’t think it holds up totally as a film, but there are enough scenes... cuts, color, sound, music that are really peak Lynch to me.

His new book of nude photography anyone? Not sure I want it but I'm curious to see who he photographs but it's probably all little known models. Wonder if there will be anything odd.

Lecturing today on THE ELEPHANT MAN and Lynch’s simple, precise, unfathomably powerful use of point of view; i.e the sequence with the frightened nurse in Merrick’s room

— Adam Nayman (@brofromanother) February 14, 2018

Also thinking of the amazing fact of Hurt, Hopkins and Gielgud present and sharply triangulated for a single scene - directed by a 34-year-old

— Adam Nayman (@brofromanother) February 14, 2018

The distended scene of the old man in the bank fetching water in the TP s2 finale put me in mind of the dinner scene in Cinderfella and sent me to googling. Lynch as Jerry Lewis' heir in "comedy of duration":

http://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2017/09/04/lynch-time-and-comedy/

heh... you are going to love season 3

well, as that piece says, it's been a pretty constant trope for him through his career. (i stopped reading before the Dougie content.)

this is a great read. i like this bit about the botched comedy hitman scene in Mulholland Drive:

Just as the act of cleaning up won’t end, neither will the scene. It should have ended when he accomplished his goal, but once the accident is introduced, an intrusion of contingency that has no plot meaning, we are moved sideways rather than forward. We are made aware of the things going on in this building that are not important to the plot, and that therefore we should never have known about, or that at least should never have become part of the action.

it really captures one of the ways in which he sort of pushes against the edges of the frame where most directors let the holy narrative dictate things

What are some non-TP examples of this (comedy of duration)? I'm drawing a bit of a blank and the piece moves on to talk about Lynch's approach to comedy in general. The Cowboy & the Frenchman has some of this iirc but in general it seems to be something he saves for this show.

Yeah, the elevator door in Eraserhead that takes juuust a little bit too long to close comes to mind.

xpost to morbs but an example for wins, too

The hitman scene is more in line with a typical comedy crescendo of complications than something like the bank scene imo

The fight scene in the missing pieces is a great companion piece to the Andy floorboard scene in the same way that the bank scene is to the waiter scene

Family Guy chicken fight gag maybe the lowest common denominator version of this

idk what that is but there are like thousands of examples (I think there's an ilx thread "the joke goes on too long & that's the joke"), sideshow bob stepping on the rakes, Stewart Lee standup, loads of monty python but I always think of the "bring out yr dead" bit

just so you know why the waiter and the bank clerk remind me of Lewis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvrmgJHltGY

Ha good catch. I wouldn't be surprised at all if both lynch & frost (who I suspect has more input into these types of scenes than ppl assume) are Lewis fans

well, they're the right age! Werner Herzog is.

My personal favorite in this vein:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAaifw-cVoQ

Family guy chicken sequence > Lewis tbf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gnZN4SEhjA

Family Guy [insert any skit here] < literally anything that's ever been created throughout history

Eric eternally correct on this

Hmm *studies next move*

Lewis so much better than wretched family guy but of course lynch is a recurring player in the Cleveland show so the inspiration could be running in all kinds of directions

and Herzog has been on American Dad!....

the relevant scene i think of first in the first hour of TP s3 is the protracted delay and frustration rhythms leading to the discovery of the head and body in South Dakota (woman and her dog, idiot in the alley, etc).

lynch is a recurring player in the Cleveland show

This fact is still weirder than any of Lynch's work.

the relevant scene i think of first in the first hour of TP s3 is the protracted delay and frustration rhythms leading to the discovery of the head and body in South Dakota (woman and her dog, idiot in the alley, etc).

While it's true that's a type of reliable comedy scene -- eg, the guy who comes to WC Fields in the middle of the night looking for "Carl LaFong" -- when Lynch does it, he usually leaves out the jokes, I think? I mean, Hank Worden giving the thumbs-up and the ancient bank office fetching water is kinda funny, but not really. Or funny-strange, not funny-haha (which is also how some categorize Jerry Lewis).

*ancient bank officer

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Shaggy dog story
This article is about the joke. For the television program of the same name, see Shaggy Dog Story (TV). For other uses, see Shaggy dog (disambiguation).
In its original sense, a shaggy dog story or yarn is an extremely long-winded anecdote characterized by extensive narration of typically irrelevant incidents and terminated by an anticlimax or a pointless punchline.

Shaggy dog stories play upon the audience's preconceptions of joke-telling. The audience listens to the story with certain expectations, which are either simply not met or met in some entirely unexpected manner.[1] A lengthy shaggy dog story derives its humour from the fact that the joke-teller held the attention of the listeners for a long time (such jokes can take five minutes or more to tell) for no reason at all, as the end resolution is essentially meaningless.[2] The nature of their delivery is reflected in the English idiom spin a yarn, by way of analogy with the production of yarn.

Archetypal story Edit

A shaggy dog, the archetypical subject of long-winded, pointless stories
The commonly believed archetype of the shaggy dog story is a story that concerns a shaggy dog. The story builds up, repeatedly emphasizing how shaggy the dog is. At the climax of the story, someone in the story reacts with, "That dog's not so shaggy." The expectations of the audience that have been built up by the presentation of the story, that the story will end with a punchline, are thus disappointed. Ted Cohen gives the following example of this story:[1]

A boy owned a dog that was uncommonly shaggy. Many people remarked upon its considerable shagginess. When the boy learned that there are contests for shaggy dogs, he entered his dog. The dog won first prize for shagginess in both the local and the regional competitions. The boy entered the dog in ever-larger contests, until finally he entered it in the world championship for shaggy dogs. When the judges had inspected all of the competing dogs, they remarked about the boy's dog: "He's not that shaggy."

However, authorities disagree as to whether this particular story is the archetype after which the category is named. Eric Partridge, for example, provides a very different story, as do William and Mary Morris in The Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins.

According to Partridge and the Morrises, the archetypical shaggy dog story involves an advertisement placed in the Times announcing a search for a shaggy dog. In the Partridge story, an aristocratic family living in Park Lane is searching for a lost dog, and an American answers the advertisement with a shaggy dog that he has found and personally brought across the Atlantic, only to be received by the butler at the end of the story who takes one look at the dog and shuts the door in his face, saying, "But not so shaggy as that, sir!" In the Morris story, the advertiser is organizing a competition to find the shaggiest dog in the world, and after a lengthy exposition of the search for such a dog, a winner is presented to the aristocratic instigator of the competition, who says, "I don't think he's so shaggy."[3][4]

Examples in literature Edit

A typical shaggy dog story occurs in Mark Twain's book about his travels west, Roughing It. Twain's friends encourage him to go find a man called Jim Blaine when he is properly drunk, and ask him to tell "the stirring story about his grandfather's old ram".[5] Twain, encouraged by his friends who have already heard the story, finally finds Blaine, an old silver miner, who sets out to tell Twain and his friends the tale. Blaine starts out with the ram ("There never was a bullier old ram than what he was"), and goes on for four more mostly dull but occasionally hilarious unparagraphed pages. Along the way, Blaine tells many stories, each of which connects back to the one before by some tenuous thread, and none of which has to do with the old ram. Among these stories are: a tale of boiled missionaries; of a lady who borrows a false eye, a peg leg, and the wig of a coffin-salesman's wife; and a final tale of a man who gets caught in machinery at a carpet factory and whose "widder bought the piece of carpet that had his remains wove in..." As Blaine tells the story of the carpet man's funeral, he begins to fall asleep, and Twain, looking around, sees his friends "suffocating with suppressed laughter." They now inform him that "at a certain stage of intoxication, no human power could keep [Blaine] from setting out, with impressive unction, to tell about a wonderful adventure which he had once had with his grandfather's old ram — and the mention of the ram in the first sentence was as far as any man had heard him get, concerning it."

Buy Jupiter and Other Stories, a collection of stories by Isaac Asimov, contains a tale whose title is "Shah Guido G."[6] In his background notes, Asimov defines the tale as a shaggy dog story, and explains that the title is a play on "shaggy dog".

Examples in music Edit

Arlo Guthrie's classic anti-war story-song "Alice's Restaurant Massacree" is a shaggy dog story about the military draft, hippies, and improper disposal of garbage.[7]
David Bromberg's version of "Bullfrog Blues" (on "How Late'll Ya Play 'Til?") is a rambling shaggy dog story performed as a talking blues song.[8][9]
"Weird Al" Yankovic's "Albuquerque," the final track on his 1999 album Running with Scissors, is an over-twelve-minute digression from one of the first topics mentioned in the song, the narrator-protagonist's longstanding dislike of sauerkraut.
See also Edit

Anti-humor
The Aristocrats
Chekhov's gun
Feghoot
Information overload
No soap radio
Red herring
Shaggy God story
References

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"the Aristocrats" is pretty close, but it has a punchline!

Eric, the Buddy Lester hat thing is way too action-packed and breathlessly funny to qualify!

the Godot thing is straightup Laurel & Hardy as Sam himself wd admit

given how manic a lot of ILX is about Lynch I'm surprised that there's been no reference (to my knowledge) about this new biography/memoir "Room to Dream". I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a wider cultural spasm about it.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Room-Dream-David-Lynch/dp/1782118381

I looked at it in the bookshop today and it seems to have a biographical chapter/ memoirial chapter alternating structure.

personally, I don't know if there's anything in this book that I'm not already tired of or that hasn't been hashed out in multiple video extras/ interviews tv and print/lynch on lynch's etc.

i am surprised at how under-the-radar it is.

actually, it seems to have been released/published today but i'm still surprised.

I may check it out, but Lynch has a certain number of stories he tells over and over again.

i've thumbed through books of his in stores before and i've never been that impressed with the way he writes. i do find his life interesting, and have a few other bios on my shelf, but i kind of prefer to have his stories filtered through other people's writing voices

stories he tells over and over again.

he seems to be something of an the obsessive, so this fits.