Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

the federation is without honor, "we come in peace" isn't a way you make allies. you make allies with war, and come to a detente via respect (seen in how the vulcans apparently acted)

B-b-but Vulcans are a part of the Federation!

how many people in Trek have both had a connection to someone else's katra *and* been trained enough in Vulcan culture to be able to tune in?

T'Pol and Tucker definitely had a strong psychic bond, and there were many episodes where one or the other was stranded on some planet where the Enterprise couldn't find them with their sensors. This kind of remote telepathy would've been pretty handy then.

I can't be as negative as Tuomas as I thought it was pretty fun and unlike the Abrams movies. And even as a gold-plated Trekkie nerd, I can't bring myself to give a shit about the internal consistency between shows.

But, yes, it was kinda disappointing that it all ends with a space battle and a lame punch-up, and none the characters who believe in peaceful negotiation get a sympathetic ear.

Really the only good Star Trek fights are the TNG ones where someone gets clocked in their living quarters and falls over a table.

Enterprise wasn't real, that was Riker watching a tv show version of the past

I'm sticking with this

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Nah, any original series punch up where Kirk gets his shirt ripped is CLASSIC in every sense.

Fair, I'll add anything that involves sweaty shirt ripping

T'Pol and Tucker definitely had a strong psychic bond

i believe they actually did have a remote telepathic scene in one episode. towards the end of the series there was a case of "why are you in my dream?" then t'pol explained something similar to the explanation in discovery

So last night was pretty bad all around -- dialogue, acting, characters, plot. (Was the tehcnobabble on the other series so poorly delivered as it was last night?) Overall, the worst thing about the episode was how ham-handedly it tries to say, "THIS AIN'T YOUR DAD'S STAR TREK," especially with the gore and the one-off profanity.

Lorca is like Zach Snyder's version of Kirk with his unscrupulous cowboy diplomacy x 10 (and wtf was he doing with a tribble?).

Black alert sounds cool, though -- I wonder how involved Discovery is with Section 31.

I do wish we got to see some of the AI characters a little more.

Discovery is the first time that the Aspie stand-in is an actual human Aspie. Don't know how successful that will be.

ep3 suuuuuuuuucked ;_;

mystery set-up
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prisoner abuse
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generic space monster
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speed-reciting alice in wonderland because it sounds cool, oh wait no it doesn't

But the first two eps were exactly like the rebooted movies: more violence, more grim and gritty action scenes

why is Star Trek so cynical and violent what's going on

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 2, 2017

dont mean this as a dig but TNG was the only good liberal propaganda–Heroes are essentially imperial middle mgmt but super nice & benevolent

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 2, 2017

fitting that rick and morty made fun of the generic monster of the week adventure in the same week.

they made the jeffries tubes gigantic so they could fit their big blob monster in them. then akiva goldsman shot it with far shots and wide angles because nothing says confinement terror like wide open spaces.

mr veg said something otm - the show is ok but it’s not Star Trek. they say Star Trek words but that’s about all. i’m inclined to agree. if you just watch it as like, a crummy Expanse or something it’s not bad

god the CBS app is garbage though.

yeah it really feels nothing like star trek at this point

Star Trek: Discovery... That This Is Not Actually Star Trek Lol Nerds Psych

you'll make the discovery that...

that is to say, VG otm

Eh I enjoyed this one too, even with its many awkwardnesses, although I hope Jason Isaacs's accent gets better.

And let's try and do an episode without an action sequence. No chases no fights no space bugs.

turns out i dont really want space monsters?
i didnt know that til i was given them

this sounds stupid, think I'll pass. too bad as the first trailers looked great and I was intrigued by the cast.

Said this on the other thread but I think I like Orville better than this :/ Too much lens flare. Why are the Klingons Spe King So Slow ly. Pacing was weird (havent seen ep3 yet tho tbh).

Dorn apparently had trouble speaking through his fangs, but soldiered through. nu-klingon orthodontia is probably even harder to enunciate with.

Burnham Kirksplaining the brig computer into releasing her felt like a corn kernel of Trek had survived the digestive process.

iirc by trek rules any computer encountering logical contradictions has to destroy itself tho

Speaking of corn kernels surviving, did anyone else notice they kept a few old-school sounds? Door openings, certain computer bleeps/comms bleeps?

I only saw it for a moment, but I believe they re-used the red alert graphic from the TMP Enterprise on the Shenzhou.

ah ha, found it:

http://trekcore.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/red-alert-696x354.jpg

Saw ep 3 finally, it was a lot better than the first 2. Still on the fence about all this tho.

Off the fence, I was done when their new super drive was navigated by tweaking the nipples of an alien dust mite.

Similarly off the STD boat. Humongous, card-carrying Trek dork here, but the oppressive negativity has been a serious turnoff. Troubled at the prospect of an intelligent creature being exploited against its will to power the ship's magical mushroom drive. Burnham looking constipated while crewmates lament "oh well, war" doesn't cut it.

The bar I have set is that first season TNG episode where the slug aliens take over starfleet high command and Picard has to trick them and kill them

Conspiracy? If only Discovery were that entertaining!

The parasite infiltration of Starfleet plot never got a follow-up because they morphed into the Borg in the writers' room.

The dialogue is awful! "Who just saved us?" was lol bad.

the oppressive negativity has been a serious turnoff

Same. This has had a serious Oedipal complex about proving how much darker and more violent it is than its predecessors, with no charm whatsoever, nor any depth. Plus, the Starfleet officers are so dumb.

The Michelle Yeoh cameo was comforting, a glimpse of what could've been. But the series is intent on killing such nostalgia, and replacing it with movie-quality protection values.

throwing in Elon Musk with Zefram Cochrane, ugh

spores must flow

yeah i thought michael was an interesting character after the first 2 eps & now she’s as boring as the rest of them. the crew seem extraneous/unimportant which OK WHUT, there’s zero curiosity or starfleet level anything going on here

i really do not know what it is i am watching

spores tho

lotta spores

Star Trek: Spore Wars

the kid from my so-called life tho!

remember in the 90s when there would be two trek shows airing simultaneously? i think at this point if we ever want that to happen again we have to suck it up and pretend like this is the best show ever made and that cbs all access is a great idea oh if only i could afford it

As it's on Netflix elsewhere in the world, I'm not sure the success (or not*) of CBS All Access is a dealbreaker.

One bad episode in 4 is not a bad strike rate for Trek. Though I'm gonna hold on watching it for a few weeks in the hope things get better.

* definitely not

spore travel would have negated most of TOS, TNG, and all of DS9, VOYAGER -- so it looks like the trajectory points to season finale timeline reset?

I think we're going to end up with another Star Trek directive against a particular technology after this goes horribly awry

like, no genetic enhancement technology (KHAAAAAAN!), no time travel (temporal prime directive), no biophysics-based travel

i would imagine if she were aware that the tech existed at some point, janeway would've considered breaking whatever directive against its use. i think maybe discovery and its tech were ultra-top-secret and it wouldn't have been something future starfleet officers would know about

I'd imagine creating a spore drive is not exactly trivial

you'd have to first turn the saucer section into a turntable.
then you need a DJ.

well yeah but it's something i'm sure they'd brainstorm. and since voyager takes place like 100 years later, they might have the technology to make a spore drive in less than 75 years

they did get mad at that other federation ship that was using hyper-dimensional aliens as super jet fuel.

it's just a really big water bear