It's not bad. Sports angle seems a bit forced, probably to make sense of it for a USA audience, but that can be forgiven. Going back to Germany WOI and WOII in the end is more problematic; at the very least a very poorly executed throwback to world war, to comment on this specific event. Jumping from "To get an idea, imagine Mitt Romney and, say, Jill Stein in the same political alliance. The only thing that binds them is a shared sense of nationalism." to 1930s Germany misses a whole slew of finer points at play here tbh.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 2 October 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
I suspected much was elided, so thank you for that. (The longer leaps are imaginative as you note, though I feel not totally irrelevant.) The sports angle is definitely the hook/reason it's on the site, but I think that's useful (no less useful than explaining what kneeling during the anthem was about, say).
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 October 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
I suppose we should be grateful he didn't mention Shakira.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Monday, 2 October 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
I have a soft spot for Waka Waka, great tune is that!
― calzino, Monday, 2 October 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
No, as I said, it's not a bad piece Ned. Esp not if it's an entrance piece for most of the readers.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 2 October 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
Not a good time for a Spanish holiday
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 2 October 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
i support substate national movements as a rule unless they're trying to create an ethno-state― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, September 18, 2017 5:14 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Why?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:54 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well i should have qualified it a bit more, i support the right to secede via referenda as has been allowed to sub-state national movements in Quebec and Scotland.
the Spanish government could've allowed a referendum and Si would've probably lost. Now unthinkable that Catalunya won't be independent sooner or later due to Spain's actions.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
Spanish king cracking down hard on the referendum. So, they're really trying to break-up here, I guess. oh what a wonderful Machiavellian world.
― Ludo, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
and no mention of the police violence for at least a bit of balance.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
Fuck a King obviously.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
honest question: do Spanish people care about the current king? I know the last one was pretty popular before all the elephant stuff.
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
I assume the seperatists are not hugely invested in his opinion one way or the other
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
Truly a king of all the people. Can't say I'm surprised, but this was fierce yo. Ludo otm.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
I don't think people care a lot about the king. They've had their share of scandals like every other monarchy etc. It's probably the shock of seeing him choose sides, not even trying to balance things a bit. It's for the best to know where he stands tho.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
Spain are playing on Friday too, could be interesting.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
whom better to give lessons on democracy than uh...the king https://t.co/qiWU5TUu3Y— KRANG TEEN NELSON (@KrangTNelson) October 3, 2017
― badg, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
Independence declared in the Catalan parliament.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 27 October 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
beat me to it.
a couple of weeks too late I'd say, at least, for the momentum of the movement.
Anway, we'll see how much jail time Puigdemont will do. Ecuador might lend a helping hand again, I guess.
― Ludo, Friday, 27 October 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link
Up to 30 years of jail time possible iirc. No way Madrid will hold back.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 27 October 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link
this is going to be very messy i feel
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 October 2017 14:30 (six years ago) link
senate in Madrid votes for direct rule of Catalunya
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 October 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link
The independent Catalan State in 1934 lasted about 10 hours, and lead to 74 people being killed. Let's hope it doesn't come to anything like that, but I wouldn't bet on anything tbh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 27 October 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
we were very close to moving there last year. feeling pretty good about our final decision to say here at this point .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 October 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
here's to good feelings
― conrad, Friday, 27 October 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
the in-laws seem to be having fun atm https://streamable.com/155yi
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 October 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
Puigdemont and people from parliament will probably be arrested. But for scope: there are 300,000 civil servants alone. Good luck to Madrid trying to get them to do what you want.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 27 October 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
i really am worried about bloodshed.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 October 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
Obviously NATO and/or the EU will step in NB sarcasm
― pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
Sadly otm. It's the same meaningless 'pls to be civil kay amigos? bye lol'.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 27 October 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
is open warfare a possibility/likelihood? I mean I can see the Madrid gov't sending in troops/police and doing some martial law shit, but do the Catalonians actually have arms they could take up? would we be looking at some kind guerilla insurgency?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 27 October 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
the mossos d'esquadra - catalan police force - are divided on issue of independence and estranged from the spanish guardia civil
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-mossos-analy/demoralized-and-divided-inside-catalonias-police-force-idUSKBN1CT2MT
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
there are no paramilitary orgs
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 October 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
yet
― proton, neutron, electron and crouton (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 October 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
getting a paramilitary org together takes some doing mind, and usually requires both foreign sponsorship and a concentrated urban, working-class base in specific geographical areas which become strongholds (catalunya doesn't really have this)
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 October 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
Demonstrations in Barcelona today for unity with Spain... 300,000 people according to the Guardia Urbana, 1.3 million according to organisers/supporters. Sounds a large turnout whatever the true figure.
I've been really struggling to clarify my thoughts on the situation lately, after discussions with my Spanish teachers and my Spanish partner have questioned some of my previous conceptions.
― brain (krakow), Sunday, 29 October 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
Everyone's seems to have forgotten about this but the regional election count is on.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
i haven't forgotten.
seems there will probably be a spanish nationalist majority.
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
My Catalan colleague was extremely disappointed that I'd forgotten :(
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
(xp) I would expect so.
didnt forget (je me souviens?)
but there is not much that catalonians can do i fear
― infinity (∞), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
well apparently I'm wrong. there will likely be a pro-independence majority.
http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171221/433800930490/elecciones-catalanas-encuesta-cierre-urna.html
though Ciudadanos (new "centrist" spanish nationalist party that has emerged in the last few years and became the main spanish nationalist party in catalunya) will be the party with most votes/seats
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
Let's wait and see.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Def not forgotten, just didn't have any time left to post abt here. Been in touch with a lot of Catalan friends about it, too.
It seems to close to call yet. Exit poll had pro-indep losing a couple of seats. Wait and see otm.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
looks like it happened. independence parties will still have a majority, though with 2 less seats. Cs the biggest party. With the surprise on the nationalist side being that Junts per Catalunya got more seats than ERC.
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
if the spanish government had anything about them they would allow a binding referendum, free the nationalist prisoners, and watch as independence narrowly failed at the ballot box. this thing could be more or less done and dusted in a year.
watch while they do the opposite
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
"With more than 99% of votes counted, the pro-independence parties Together for Catalonia, Republican Left of Catalonia and Popular Unity were together on course to win a total of 70 seats, giving them a majority."
― calzino, Friday, 22 December 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
sorry didn't read last posts before posting
― calzino, Friday, 22 December 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link
Some of the footage being posted online is truly horrifying.
warning: this video is upsetting.
Barcelone: la police espagnole sur la sellette pour ses violences contre les manifestants https://t.co/q9H2tbZkg1 @denterd pic.twitter.com/4YeSW6VDyI— L'important (@Limportant_fr) October 19, 2019
― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Saturday, 19 October 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
holy shit at that dude managing to maintain his composure while being followed down the street by a gang of cops battering the fuck out of his legs
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 19 October 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
Ten armed Spanish policemen beating simultaneously an unarmed Catalan. Tonight it has been a carnage. #HelpCatalonia pic.twitter.com/07autW19iB— Help Catalonia 🎗 (@CataloniaHelp2) October 18, 2019
― What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Saturday, 19 October 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link