Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

I can see an artistic argument for going a different, new direction... but I dunno, that's not the appeal of Trek TV to me.

super interested in space toothbrushes tho

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 October 2017 3:49 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was wondering what they were doing with those prostate massagers.

super interested in space toothbrushes tho

you should check out this show called battlestar galactica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s77l5ti2ATk

Simultaneously impressed and repelled.

wish they'd gone with my title, star trek: tardigrading on a curve

lol mookie

xp

This last episode is so much better! I still have a lot reservations about how badly amateurish SF seems to be right now, but I'm *hoping* that now that Michael's gotten back onto the bridge, that we'll avoid the relentless grimness. Her mentoring Tilly is a refreshing development.

Obviously the show is pushing Michael and Ash into a relationship, which is going to be a source of consternation once Ash is exposed to Lorca's tribble.

Klingons continue to be one-dimensional -- so far I hate them. (They were at least TWO-dimensional on TOS, TNG, and DS9.)

I think the utopian radicalism is still there, just pressed against hard times and reluctant to speechify, which feels appropriate on both counts. The direction/action/FX make the battles as scary as they are striking, and I think the romantic plot and Elephant Man voices of the Klingons oddly give them more humanity than previous incarnations—they're still camp, just more enjoyably so. I love the silent shots, how each show starts with what feels like a cold open that just keeps going, the tense dialogue in suspenseful situations that packs as much evocative meaning as the original series but without underlining itself (sometimes orders must be disobeyed, sometimes monsters aren't, sometimes shame interferes with repair), and stays with me after the plot particulars fade. I like that the show includes a character with autism, but love the suggestion that she still has trouble fitting into this flawed utopia, and that the moral standard of the 23rd Century—and the leading role—may be held by someone other than the Captain.

Lots of interesting points -- I disagree with how you characterize the Klingons, they're drained of camp IMO as they've been painted as the abject Other (eating Georgiou (my god) sort of changes the stakes). I do like your suggestion that Discovery isn't centering its morality around the Captain, but Lorca has been terrible simply as a character.

I don't like this show when it's trying to be the Marily Manson of Trek.

I wonder who came up with the DISCO shirts?

CBS really didn’t allocate enough resources to their streaming service when it comes to Star Trek. The stream was a complete disaster live last night! I thought it was maybe just me but a few friends confirmed.

so was the vulcan haircut just a terrible fashion that happened to coincide with first contact and a while after, or do they have to grow it like that for like logico-physiological reasons

Yes on that note why did Michael have a vulcan haircut in her past but now shes just grown it all out.

Sarek took her to a federation hair stylist on the way to her new job instead of the barber back home

I think that was a signifier that her relationship with Yeoh had 'humanized' her

I do like that the first hour or so of the show establishes Trek-as-we-know-it: admirable captain with a familial relationship with her second in command, wacky and idiosyncratic yet endearing crew members, complete adherence to an Enlightenment-derived worldview, etc. This is destroyed as soon as it's introduced in favor of ends-justify-means warmaking and crew members who are seething masses of aggression, bile, and trauma. Paradoxically Michael, the destroyer, is now the only person who seems to remember what the values of prewar Starfleet are, and the viewer after despising her for killing what was familiar now has to root for her as the last living exemplar of what the show 'wants' to be

I do not have a book contract, I'm just really pedantic after a couple of beers

This is an example of screenwriters getting better with the demands of writing reboots. They could have jumped straight in to the 'dark, gritty' Trek, but they knew they had to introduce it in 'classic' mode to walk the viewer through the transition. In theory it's a great idea, I just think the Yeoh relationship needed more time to breathe. Each scene with the two of them had so many character points to hit, and it had to hit them in quick succession. One flashback to Michael's arrival to show the development and history of the relationship wasn't enough to really make it hurt when Yeoh was offed

Next on Discovery: This is not your father's Star Trek time loop!

http://www.cbr.com/star-trek-discovery-theory-voq-ash/

Hope it's misdirection that Ash is played as kind of shady.

DISCO t-shirt is tempting.

disco! disco disco!

just what I have running through my head every time I see them in the shirts, although I'm trying to place the sample

https://shop.startrek.com/product/Z1CTSTK221/star-trek-discovery-disco-tshirt

there's something wrong with ash -- perhaps someone has put creatures in his body to make him tell lies? -- but him being voq would be enormously bullshit

liked this ep the best so far. probably not a coincidence that it didn't have much klingon content

could he be an augment virus descendant? I can't remember the timelines

I think that if A = V, then maybe they were able to download the real A's memories into V to better impersonate him.

liked this ep the best so far. probably not a coincidence that it didn't have much klingon content

co-sign!

Burnham mentioning "Constitution class, like The Enterprise" was so tantalizing. Will they show it? What will it look like?

Also, I'm probably not going to order that shirt because of the TM on Disco. Why would that be on the real shirt in the show???

it's most definitely not the shirt that was shown in the show

Constitution class Enterprise, according to Discovery:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/dea2_enterprise_pizza_cutter_inuse.jpg

I have always hated how that thing has no guard to protect your hand!

This was a great episode. Extremely predictable - every plot beat involving the admiral I'd seen coming long before - but still great because of how well Isaacs is carrying this very, very flawed character. Now that the admiral's out of the way, looking forward to seeing the Starfleet sharks move in looking to depose Lorca

Agreed that Ash is way too easy, there's some reveal waiting there. He's not Voq but something is up

So, what, the Enterprise has athletic shirts that say E N T E R ?

While I'm gushing let me give a shoutout to the DP and the CGI folks, every frame of this show is exquisitely beautiful

first episode with ash was highly suspicious -- lorca plants a word in his vocabulary, gets it replayed by his captor, then concludes mudd is the spy because mudd was listening in? i think it was intentionally crap.

I like this guy's videos, he throws out some possible alternative theories about Ash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syOt1ntFBJs

So, what, the Enterprise has athletic shirts that say E N T E R ?

LOL, then DS9 would have D E E P S tees.

Would purchase

Despite its obvious inspiration from Edge of Tomorrow and "Cause and Effect" (and the fact that the episode ultimately ignores the rules it sets out in the beginning), this was a lot of fun. This show needs to maintain a light feel -- when it does dark, it's terrible.

we bailed halfway through the new episode

i just don’t enjoy it and i am getting more and more annoyed that they called it Star Trek when it has so little to do with that world ... i can’t get past it

hey hey ds9 already has canon in-universe merch

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/8/8a/Niners-uniforms.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070323010702&path-prefix=en

one-off mindfuck episode was a good choice around now. not a patch on tng's cause and effect though. kind of a shame that they have to make every episode a michael burnham episode, because the plot was centered around stamets.

didn't really need a grimdark device that makes you die in the most painful way possible.

do you still have to pay for the cbs app to watch this?

the lack of klingons improved the episode. none of that time-wasting trash.

ending monologue was awful. "sometimes you need to step out of the routine" uggggggh

you only have to pay cbs if you don't know about bittorrent

I love Tilly so much

I rewatched the last episode before the current one and paused for a second at the "eugenics experiment" line before realizing, holy shit, they just casually violated the Federation's directive on eugenics with this warp drive thing, for real. Can't wait to see some more fun freakouts from our resident spore man.

isco! disco disco!

just what I have running through my head every time I see them in the shirts, although I'm trying to place the sample

LOL I think I know the song you mean, at least I know it in a song with loads of horns and funky backbeat... maybe bronx dogs or something.

Why were people thinking Ash is suspicious? IDGI.

avalanches 'close to you'?

lorca's argument for ruling ash out as a spy is invalid
the name of voq's actor is not a real person

Also:

Voq was supposed to lose "everything," which being turned into Ash would satisfy, presumably.
We haven't seen Voq since Ash debuted.
We saw a Tribble in Lorca's ready room, and Tribbles are Klingon detectors -- Chekhov's Gun.

He knows Klingon fighting moves, was a captive of theirs for way too long, was clearly passing info from conversations to the Klingons. Voq was convinced to go train with the Klingon spies in a prior episode.

I think it’s just as likely the producers planted the fake actor details as a trail of suspicion and all those points are to throw us on a fake trail, though

Oh ok all this time I was "who tf is Voq". The albino klingon? I think that whole storyline kind of went over my head tbh haha. I find the horrible subtitle font hard to follow so I zone out.