ILX Yahoo! Fantasy Baseball League 2003 -- Part 2 . . .

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Yeah, I mean, I know what it is... but like what exactly the conditions are before a pitcher gets a hold. Like, a save is that the tying run must be at the plate (???!?... the 13-year-old stat geek in me is crying that I don't remember this for sure).

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, the criteria is the same as a save in terms of the team's lead - actually I think it is tying run "in the hole"? In other words you can get a save/hold if your team is up by six but you come in with the bases loaded? I think?! Anyway, the criteria for saves and holds is the same.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

for a save the tying run doesn't have to be at the plate. Beyond that I'm not sure what the criteria is. I still don't know what WHIP is. Or a hold.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

WHIP is easy... it's Walks + Hits per Inning Pitched. I searched the MLBA rules but couldn't find an exact definition of a save or hold. Bummer!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

SAVES FOR RELIEF PITCHERS
10.20
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

ah, I was wondering why there wasn't a BB category for pitching.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

The thing is, "Hold" is not an official stat so there won't be an entry for it in the rulebook. But just substitute "hold" for "save" in the above.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bingo! (heh) I found a history/definition of holds:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/2000/0523/546788.html

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

The thing I love is that (c) definition for saves: "he pitches effectively for at least three innings"!

There was some crazy game involving the Red Sox last year where they won by like ten runs, but some dude got a save. I think they were up by like 15 in like the sixth inning, and they brought in a bullpen guy who mopped up the last three innings. He gave up five runs or something. And he got credited with a save!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

My sleeper is Danny Baez (closer- Indians).

-- lawrence kansas (lawrence_kansa...), March 14th, 2003.

ooh lawrence.

Meanwhile, the Expos are the Reality League ChicksDigKs. Armas is 2-hitting the Cubs after 5 with 9Ks. Ouch.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

UNDROPPABLE:

http://www.toykeeper.com/cooperstown/Atlanta.jpg

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Danny B props! thank you. I say we end the season right now.


The bottom of my rotation has kicked it up a notch with 'Grape' Appier and 'On Golden' Ponson giving the pockets a shot to move up in the standings.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um... can I just say that Vlad Guerrero is a FREAK OF NATURE?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean he just launched a ball to Joliet and he barely swung at it.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

JUAN CRUZ WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

felicity you just made post 666 on this thread!

I will make the post to remove the number of the beast.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

the pockets smell third place!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Am I alone in finding the ceramic Greg Maddux bear hilarious? Does that seem normal to you people?

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

So is Peter Gammons indie as fuck?

gammons has a musical past. he was in bands (he played guitar) from the time he was in high school in western mass to the time he graduated unc in the late 60's. in his sunday baseball notes section of the boston globe he has a section where he uses song titles to name brief annecdotes from around mlb. he freaked me out when he used sebadoh's "as the world dies the eyes of god grow bigger" as a title to one of his articles. this was around 1993 so i can guarantee you not many people could've told you who sebadoh were let alone name any of their songs.

he must have kids with good taste or something.

otto, Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

How were we supposed to know it was Maddux? They should have him wearing glasses! What's not normal is the way his year is going. Ouch.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

welcome otto to the thread!

(otto is in my *ahem* other league)

felicity, i love how your boy estes flubs throws to keep his ERA down... estes has the accuracy of steve sax ("FORE!") when not throwing from the mound.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

thank gygax!

i'm kind of embarrassed because i think the team that's directly in front of me in *your other league* (you make it sound like a secret child from an illicit double life or something) has been abandoned by it's manager.

i'm not sure my ego can take getting shallaced by random chance.

otto, Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, who is that guy anyway? should i boot him? i thought he was a "friend of a friend" or something... hmmm...

if he has no activity at mid-season, i'll boot him.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't know who he is, i was trying to find that out last week.

and hey, if anyone wants a ticket to tomorrows cubs/pirates game let me know. the guy i was supposed to go with (my boss, actually) just bailed so i have a free ticket.

otto, Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

gygax! is like the commisioner of the world or something.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 10 April 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

"or something"

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 10 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I NEED SAVES! Someone help me!

The ceramic GM is cute. The real GM isn't as cute, but he started a season in equally asstastic fashion (y'know, where all those hittable pitches he threws got hit hahd), but he turned it around. Maybe he needs to get some "pitching help" (wink wink) from Don Sutton.

KKKKKKyle Farnsworth got me a hold pitching like a tee ball coach. Therefore, holds are klassik.

Have any of the Braves players ever seen winter before? They're dressed like Packer fans, w/out the cheese. They should lose for disrespecting the baseball gods and not Toughing It Out. Also, having Brian Litrell from the Backstreet Boys singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" for a Turner South promo - that's worth at least 3 circles of Hell.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ugh someone stop the Danny Graves as starter experiment NOW.

Leee (Leee), Thursday, 10 April 2003 23:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

But say hello to KKKKKurt Ainsworth!

Leee (Leee), Friday, 11 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

He was sweet. And, lord, Pac Bell is gorgeous.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 April 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fine! Nobody wants my David Wells? Hmph.

Ahem, speaking of Vultures, I present Tim "15 pitches" Spooneybarger:

Florida  IP  H  R  ER  BB SO HR ERA
Beckett 5.0 6 2 2 3 7 1 3.29
Tejera 2.2 2 1 1 1 3 1 3.12
Nunez, V 0.1 0 0 0 0 1 0 10.80
Spooneybarger (W, 1-0) 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.00
 
Pitches-strikes: Beckett 93-54, Tejera 46-31, Nunez, V , Spooneybarger 15-9

I care not for my 4-place drop in standings. I rule you all in strikeouts and wins.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I care not for my 4-place drop in standings"

Your words say one thing but your heart speaks another.

I've decided to tinker with my lineup til the cows come home.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 11 April 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wait, hold on, what's that .... OH MY GOD THAT'S BESSIE'S MUSIC!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 April 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your words say one thing but your heart speaks another.

I will not deny that my heart longs for this . . . (reaching for ILB Championship Ring)

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

it is precioussss to me.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 11 April 2003 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

chicks dig karats

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 11 April 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I keep wanting to bench Scott Hatteberg in favor of Mark Teixara but Hatteberg keeps going like 2 for 3 and 3 for 5! I have a similar problem with Todd "I sound like a good-hitting Colorado player but I'm not" Walker at second base. It's annoying.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Okay already, enough with the strikeouts, Carlos Zambrano -- how about a good old fashioned W?

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I NEED SAVES! Someone help me!

Dave R., you should trade Leee for Danny Graves because he needs to put the letter "C" in front of his current job description if you know what I mean, ha ha!

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want some of your Ks, Felicity. I'm in 2nd place but I'm feeling sort of, you know..... lacking.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I still want your Alex Gonzalez. Take your pick of anyone but Undroppable Prior and we'll talk. Email me or I'll make you an opening offer over.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have no idea what Felicity means.

Leee (Leee), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Felicity-- I made you a trade proposal... lemme know what you think.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Furthermore, I need to move some pitching. Who needs pitching? indeed.

Leee (Leee), Friday, 11 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Guthrie throw a perfect one third inning!! First place ahoy!!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

throws

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 11 April 2003 21:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have no idea what Felicity means.

Well Graves is kind of a "loser" now, get it?

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Holy Mackeral, Blount is rocking the Saves category with Mike Williams (S, 5)!

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 April 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why is LaRussa leaving Matt Morris in to throw his 119th pitch to Jeff Kent representing the winning run? After both Bagwell & GEOFF BLUM took him to the warning track? AND after Berkman nearly decapitated Tino w/ a hott shot to 1st? Like, duh, even Ted Turner would've pulled Morris.

119 pitches in his second start, too? ?!?! ?!?!?!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh didn't bnw tell you? Dave Duncan has a mandate to break every single Cardinal pitcher's arm one way or another. It has always been that way. It's awful but htey really do horribly mistreat pitchers.

In happier news, that's the way, Fischerspooneybaby. You can hold my lead any day.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 12 April 2003 01:31 (twenty-one years ago) link


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