Ashhole amirite?
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link
It's a little unnerving to see out of all the spinoffs, Enterprise is the one that is being mined for the most material to weave canon out of. Maybe we'll get to see evil Porthos cameo.
Maybe WE'RE the ones in the mirror universe.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
no midriff mirror universe uniforms yet so may it’s changed over there
― mh, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
It's nice to see Frakes directed this, IMHO his is the first Trek name to have been associated with a good series.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Oops, forgot Nick Meyer.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:31 (six years ago) link
he went a little overboard on the camera-circling-everyone thing
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
The camera NEVER STOPPED
Static locked down shots don’t exist anymore
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:36 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHbLewg79c
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:37 (six years ago) link
I know the agony booths were in TOS, but the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK. File it with the most painful way to suicide bomb, the most painful possible gun disintegration, and the warp engine booth that tortures the occupant.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
Similar to a comment made in the RLM vid on Abrams’ approach to the ‘09 reboot. Everything must be HYPERCHARGED.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
I’m curious how a TOS/Constitution-class ship looks rendered in the particular art direction of this show, esp with the lighting.
Here’s what it looked like 15 years ago:
http://www.treksinscifi.com/trekdaily/pictures/2010-04-23_Defiant.jpg
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
the lingering over Lorca's pain felt like another example of the show's being EXTREME and EDGY and GRIMDARK
Yeah, you'd think that the show would've outgrown its Oedipal impulses by now, but maybe they feel that a midseason premiere required them to reassert the GRIMDARK.
I think with JJ, he may have been overcompensating because he wasn't that familiar with Trek prior to getting the franchise.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
Next step in L'Rell's master plan: get Burnham's answers to her security questions.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
some viewers were upset that the asian captain gets killed/the black woman gets court martialed/the female admiral gets tortured/the gay guy gets killed*/etc., so it seems only fair that the white guy gets a little agony booth
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
he does have the pre-existing messed up vision. definitely a problem in the terran empire, where insurance is absolutely brutal
― mh, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
maybe aztec'd like this:http://deg3d.biz/posts/deg3D_NCC-1701_112.jpg
and lit like this:http://deg3d.biz/desktops_art_SOMS.html
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
whoops:http://deg3d.biz/images/deg3D_TOS.5_E_SOMS_1956.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
There was a 3d wireframe of one on the show this week that had a kink in the engine struts, but otherwise looked similar.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
https://imgur.com/a/zc0K1
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
guh
https://i.imgur.com/jKQCGnV.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
Yeah, thats what made me think of it. Every other ship in the show is “darkshiney” as it were, so I’m wondering what they’ll do to the usual battleship grey exterior
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
So I guess everyone who predicted the Ash thing was right eh?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
(awesome episode btw)
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
Sarek was right there! How could have scanned the dude after he freaked out!
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
Yeah that occurred to me as well! But I guess there was more urgent "hey dont kill us" standoff going on.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
a mind meld can be dangerous
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
I honestly didnt see the 'how they got the data' trick coming at all either, so that pleased me a lot.
I think generally a mind meld is pretty risky if the other party isn’t willing, so it’d be a bad idea
― mh, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
Spock was pretty cavalier about melding with anything that moves.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
first mind meld episode had it be dangerous. afterwards they did it willy nilly.
― adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
Willy nilly...Tilly...Killy?! This is a clue!
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 07:05 (six years ago) link
Best episode yet. Hopefully a sign of whatever shift the show underwent.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
I wonder if there were a bunch of Klingon segments planned for each episode that they just cut out.
― adam the (abanana), Friday, 19 January 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
i'm such a newbie trekkie that i didn't realize that the depiction of the empire was canon. i thought it was something disco came up with. welp, off to watch the two ENT episodes i skipped
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
In my head Yesterday's Enterprise is a mirror universe episode, I only just realised it's a regular old parallel universe
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
they have some common structure, the biggest reveal is "so who is the Emperor THIS time?"
― mh, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
Man, I thought this episode was kind of a dud. None of the people who were supposed to be menacing or dangerous came off that way. Also, the episode felt overburdened with Burnham (overburnhamed?) -- I actually got tired of hearing SMG's voice, especially when she was playing Evil Mirror her.
I thought that two SF guards would still be easy for a Klingon-reduced-to-a-human to overpower.
Faceless Emperor didn't stay faceless for long!
Was Burnham's original plan on the rebel planet to stick around for the hour to make sure that they were able to evac, under the guise that she's still infiltrating, then explain that when Ashhole got activated, they couldn't stay on the surface any longer and HAD to return to the Shengzhou. Did they just not mention it onscreen? That would've made a lot more sense than just beaming out and hoping that she'd be able to keep her crew from firing on the planet. Though I guess that would've meant that Burnham and Tyler would've been smoked when Faceless Emperor swoops in and razes the planet.
I'm glad that Stamets at some level gets to be coherent again -- I was worried that Anthony Rapp would spend a lot more time being semi-catatonic.
I'll admit to being tickled by Sarek's goatee.
I mean, uh, you know what I mean.
― Kirk Cobain (Leee), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
This episode had a twist that some people had guessed, but it was never a sure thing like v=a. The show's been playing the long game, with dumb shit from early episodes starting to pay off.
― adam the (abanana), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
I do complain that they revealed the twist as soon as the clues were all in place. They could have stretched that out.
― adam the (abanana), Monday, 22 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
I've tired of shows that have held plot twists just out of reach until they're just a disappointment when all the cards hit the table
get that shit out there, make the characters and the shows writers deal with it all constructively, imo
― mh, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
It would be an interesting meta-twist if it turns out the entire series is meant to be an alternate or redundant timeline, meaning the writers had total narrative freedom the entire time.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
The twist wouldn't have to be a multi-episode stretch. A commercial break would have been enough.
― adam the (abanana), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
Yeah, liked this twist. The A=V one was kind of botched because some guy guessed it after about two episodes and it was all over the internet and then they basically spelled it out to viewers anyway before the big (messy) reveal.
This one was more of a straight up shock and we now have three episodes left for it to play out.
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 08:38 (six years ago) link
I completely blanked yesterday when I wrote that previous comment. I only saw this week's episode last night after writing it, and I'll still stand by it, but I give the show credit for setting up a more-obvious twist (fake actor name, telltale signs and flashbacks) masking a more subtle one that was right in front of our faces the whole time, then just dropping that bomb in one episode
― mh, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
that is, I think they "botched" it in such a way that everyone would talk about that twist even though it's a red herring
― mh, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
I could do with to the show never having a Shyamalanesque twist in to the first place.
― Joanna NEU!some (Leee), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
Yeah, to paraphrase something FilmCritHulk wrote, clarity is far more effective than this mystery box/twisty bullshit
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
Good twist IMO - wasn't expecting it at all - even though Fringe pulled almost exactly the same twist about five years ago.
I like how Yeoh is turning into Disovery's Shatner - wooden delivery, huge charisma.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
john noble would be a good trek guest star
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link