Vive la Revolutions: Tour de France 2018

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yeah that was really something

gbx, Sunday, 15 July 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link

christ on a bike that was rough
i think this pic sums it up nicely

War hart heute. #TDF2018 pic.twitter.com/ePesRfHi4Q

— Moritz Cassalette (@MCassalette) July 15, 2018



Fucking hats off & all the way up in the air for Degenkolb, what an amazing comeback & gutsy finish. Watching him sobbing with joy with his team was so moving. Incredible will.

On the flipside, gutted for Richie Porte. And NBC’s postrace interview with VanGarderen was heartbreaking, he was so utterly crushed. I hope they can regroup to stay in the mix through the mountains. Rotten luck on a day when you still hold the yellow!!

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link

And how about this for a photo: Oliver Naesen coming right over the top of Rafal Majka 🙈🙈🙈

Pic of the day!
Hope you're OK @majkaformal https://t.co/8vSinYa0Ow

— Oliver naesen (@OliverNaesen) July 15, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link

Until now I had really processed how nuts the second and third weeks are. There’s only one more sprint stage other than the champs élysées. A couple of barrodeur rollers but no real respite.

Despite the early finish I still fell asleep with 20kms to go. Crazy stage.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link

Yeah the mountains will be a pain train from the off. I can’t imagine going through today & then hitting week 2 with *a* rest day

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link

Just caught up with today's stage, good god almighty. But yeah, well deserved for Degenkolb. Phew.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link

bike racing!!!

gbx, Sunday, 15 July 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link

Suggestion for some good rest-day listening: journalist/author William Fotheringham in convo with Cycling Weekly on the 20th anniversary of the Festina Affair. Good stuff!!

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-93r7s-95058e

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link

Just caught up with the highlights. The helmet filth stencils on rider’s stubbly heads are quite something.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 16 July 2018 09:21 (five years ago) link

classy ride from DVA

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Solid stage all around. Alaphilippe in excelsis for sure.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link

Ok stage, alaphillipe was very much in character, nibbles comment about wind and team sky going very postal matched perfectly to the lack of action from fave group.

Commenter on twitter noted 8 y/o basso quote about when the lieutenants pull 420 watts for huge periods, no one can do anything meaningful in getting clear.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link

Sky, as ever, have enough money to have domestiques that would be leaders in lesser teams. Geraint Thomas is a case in point, I reckon he’s the equal of Porte at the least. The Yates brothers avoiding sky was a smart move, easy to get complacent pulling in 150k euros a year or whatever sky domesiques get.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 03:17 (five years ago) link

Alaphillippe, damn son. Joyous effort, he is a delight to watch. And VanAvemaet! Way to hold onto the yellow, dude. Amazing effort. Love seeing BMC pulling it out any way they can in spite of everything.
Bummed about Uran timeloss :(

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:44 (five years ago) link

Crazy short stage has electrified the action some but even though Sky is chillin back 3 mins on last climb they have SIX riders there.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link

Nieve’s pedaling style at 6.5km left is fucking beautiful. Id enjoy seeing dumoulin get to him, but nieve looks SOOO nice.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link

nice finish

gbx, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link

Just caught the end of that passing through Hong Kong. That was pretty amazing. Thomas may have more time on Froome than Froome could take back on the TT, but I’m also not sure Froome can attack Thomas unless he is chasing down someone close on GC or Thomas cracks.

Interesting times.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link

Thomas finally kicked his bilharzia. Good for him.

— Cyclocosm.com (@Cyclocosm) July 18, 2018

gbx, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

Ha when i saw thomas get to dumoulin so fast, i was like, man, nieve is about to get hit by a missile. I was surprised he paused with dumoulin a little.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link

i like how Wiggins has come back to haunt Froome in the form of Thomas.

the dominance of Sky is very very frustrating though, and bad for cycling. Before this Tour I thought Movistar could challenge them.. but alas. Not even close. Quintana will be happy if he finishes top 5 in this Tour, or so it seems.

Ludo, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link

Why is Sky so dominant (is it just money?), and why can't other teams compete? Isn't this just about having the right training schedule? Is there a stat on how much each team member gets paid on all teams?

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link

mostly money

as ed said upthread, sky has domestiques that would be team leaders elsewhere but the pay at sky is good, as is (i hear) the benefits (like not medical bens but top quality training / nutrition / mechanics / etc)

gbx, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link

I mean, former rainbow kwiatkowski is an _embarrassingly_ big talent as just one of your climbing leadouts. Such a complete racer. Not only winning worlds, but classics and monuments i mean hes outsprinted sagan at e3 and msr aside from dumping him into siena, which u could at least expect.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

somehow had not unsubscribed from the lance thing and found myself listening to their stage 10 episode. he is a TOTAL fanny, and seems utterly unrepentant to boot ("I mean, according to wikipedia, I've never won a stage of the tour")

||||||||, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link

I was sure he'd at least displayed some contrition in the past but he's acting like he's been robbed on this thing, not like he was the one doing the robbing

||||||||, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link

the finish of la course was unsane

||||||||, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

https://youtu.be/VkbyFDrF9kM

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link

Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig post stage interview yesterday i think is really really sweet.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link

amazing. good on her

||||||||, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link

woman's cycling is so, so good and gets such a raw deal

||||||||, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link

i like how Wiggins has come back to haunt Froome in the form of Thomas

Heh. Just seen it (was out cycling all day). I reckon Thomas attacked so early to make sure he went before Froome did. Similarly, I think that's why he attacked again just before Froome bridged across to him and Dumoulin.

the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link

tomorrow will be fun

||||||||, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link

That it will. But yeah I'm getting kinda bored with all these other Sky riders, however great they are, being "Hi we're just this glomp at the front of the peloton who don't seem to have any fun and to hell with you if you don't want to see anything interesting happening. Thanks for the cash, fuck you." (Not that the rest of the field are genteel souls doing it for the charity and fun of it but jeez.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 23:42 (five years ago) link

ok i did listen to armstrong now, and the bit at 7 mins, when he talks about teams that can paceline an hc climb and DESTROY, and then mocks hincapie for his objections during the times it was postal doing them, is actually a-hole bro done in good form by armstrong, sorry all. hincapie ultimately peacing on a climbing paceline is classic to think of and i can only imagine bruyneel spitting in hincapie's dinner.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 19 July 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link

Not going to listen to that prick.

The Ludwig interview is lovely and yet again women’s racing shows to to be equal if not better in terms of entertainment, drama and quality that the men. Ironically the UCI’s sexism helps this along. In no other major endurance sport do women race over shorter distance than the men. So when we get what is effectively a shorter one day climbing race like nothing on the men’s calendar the women go all out to leave it all on the road (short recovery time after the giro Rosa notwithstanding). Alpe d’Huez could be a snooze fest today partly due to a the battle now being for the third step and partly because there will be tired legs.

The women deserve a lot more than the paltry crumbs they are currently getting.

As for the sky thing - the other advantage that they have is that they are grand tour focussed and pretty much Tour de France focussed. No other team gets that luxury and it becomes a self reinforcing loop. Sky barely show at the classics, the vuelta has been a consolation or development race and the giro was barely anything for them till this year. They have a programme that is all about he top step in July. I don’t think any mainland European team would get the opportunity to do that. Also, looking down the list of sponsors I can think of a name that comes remotely close to the size of sky apart from Movistar ( I guess the state sponsors, Astana, Bahrain and UAE). One does wonder what will happen to the Sky if the Comcast bid succeeds.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link

The women deserve a lot more than the paltry crumbs they are currently getting.

Rather. I saw some La Course highlights but I'm going to catch up with the full race soon.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:43 (five years ago) link

i do think dumoulin will be right washed out tomorrow. as far as sky goes, number ones often appear unbeatable til they get beat. it's not likely here.

that pod cites brown's or nibble's claims (and their doubts on the claims) re budgets: "Team Sky spends the most, around $42 million. Bahrain-Merida counts on a budget in the 15 million range. Other teams have only 10 million." https://www.velonews.com/2018/07/tour-de-france/nibali-it-may-seem-boring-but-thats-modern-cycling_472562

"it aint where you focus is the way that focus, and that's what gets results!"

xp

Hunt3r, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:52 (five years ago) link

lol "it's"

Hunt3r, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:53 (five years ago) link

and um, also "you." gnight!

Hunt3r, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:54 (five years ago) link

Annemiek Van Vleuten is a boss ass bitch & the world should know it imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 July 2018 04:06 (five years ago) link

also women have a decent claim for the two best pound for pound cyclists of the past 7/8 years in voss then PFP

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Meanwhile, Cavendish, Kittel & Renshaw didn’t make the time cut.

Alpe d’Huez should be a good watch tomorrow after today’s excitement

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 July 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link

yup, i think the rider who finishes first (of the favorites, GC contenders) TODAY, will win the Tour. Thomas' chance really, is he's as good as yesterday.

Ludo, Thursday, 19 July 2018 06:39 (five years ago) link

I think Froome will be looking for some kind of pretext to gain time on Thomas, but hoping it can be under the guise of marking someone else's attack.

the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 19 July 2018 09:01 (five years ago) link

In the past 7 yrs when froome has gone into hyper-robo-crab climb mode, he’s been pretty untouchable. Today we r all waiting to see that i think.

I cannot imagine anything much more batshit than his revelation at the giro, but im prepared to be amazed. As dull as his persona is, he has managed to improve his competencies in actual and impressive ways since his tdf run began, from muuch improved descending, to like, creating a new ride pedaling position on toptube, to dismounting and running when necessary.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:52 (five years ago) link

Groenewegen abandon

Agreed with Ludo and NBS, it will be very interesting to see if Thomas pulls through. Only sky could crack Sky :)

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:12 (five years ago) link

he's doing it.

Poor Steven.

Ludo, Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link

It's certainly convenient for Sky that the rider having a ton of shit thrown at him is doing less well than his team mate this year.

Madchen, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link

So far.

Madchen, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link


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