start a victory garden and ration your IRRATIONALLY ANGRY feelings, part 3

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I just found out that the local LIDL and therefore probably other branches differentiate between a cash register being shown to be open and closed by the same intensity light in the same place showing as either red or green. I hadn't realised they were supposed to be visibly different until the girl on the till of a closed one pointed to a light to show me that it was supposed to be closed today.
Not sure if it's down to my eyes or if it is as completely interchangeable looking to other people, especially in the neon light of the supermarket.
Would think they might have arrived at so0mething more immediately differentiable. I had to look at the on light and the off light closely to be able to see a difference.

& if i am colourblind i don't think it's in a rare way. Just seems to be a stupid idea to go around doing things that way.

Would think that it would be more noticeable if they switched the light off instead of having a similar shade of a colour that looks pretty similar be the differentiation.
bah humbug.

Stevolende, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link

To clarify, this is a recent set up where to tell customers not to join the end of a queue for a checkout till the shop has come up with a system where the change the colour of light on a transparent piece of glass with the till number on. The light shines through this number which is suspended somewhere above the conveyor belt. The colour of light is most visible down the side of the pain of glass i.e. the however many millimetre wide thicjkness between the two sides of the pane of glass/plastic.
Difference mainly seems to be in hue since object, brightness etc are all the same. & as a signifier it seems way too close.

I'm wondering if it is my eyes but don't think it could be a thing that I would be alone in differentiating.
Found it odd that a checkout girl was pointing to a lit light and expecting me to see it as obviously different to another lit light of a very similar shade.

& would have thought that things like simple colour blindness would be a consideration in designing a thing like this and they would add another element.
As it is you are looking at a see through pane with a light somewhere around it so you are seeing straight through it. & it is below whatever other neon light the shop is lit with. None of which helps tell the slight difference between the 2 supposedly distinct options.

Stevolende, Saturday, 1 September 2018 12:43 (six years ago) link

& would have thought that things like simple colour blindness would be a consideration in designing a thing like this

ime it appears often not to be taken into consideration. Red/green lights in the same place (LEDs on various devices come to mind) are usually more or less indistinguishable and thus quite useless to me. It does sound like you may have some colour vision deficiency (and red/green is the most garden-variety of them all), except it seems a bit strange that you haven't noticed it in any other context before.

The shades of red/green used for traffic signals most places I've been are an exception; these are not easily confused even to me (plus it probably also helps that the red and green are in different positions).

anatol_merklich, Monday, 3 September 2018 07:21 (six years ago) link

Here's an online test for colour vision deficiency. It identified me as a "strong deutan", which seems right. ("Deutans are people with deuteranomaly, a type of red-green color blindness in which the green cones do not detect enough green and are too sensitive to yellows, oranges, and reds.")

anatol_merklich, Monday, 3 September 2018 07:26 (six years ago) link

I think the difference is clearer when you get closer to the sign. But from a distance they look very similar. & the sign is mainly supposed to be read from a distance so that people don't approach the end of the conveyor belt leading to the till.

Not 100% sure but it seems like you need to see the edge of the pane to see the difference. So seems like it's only really visible half way down the line.
So doing the job of showing that an aisle is closing doesn't work. & only really shows when there is nobody on the queue whatever.
& then they probably close the gate when the checkout girl goes anyway.

Ho hum.

Stevolende, Monday, 3 September 2018 09:53 (six years ago) link

It identified me as a "strong deutan", which seems right.

it had me as moderate deutan, which is odd because my red-green colour vision is totally shot to shit

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 3 September 2018 10:23 (six years ago) link

it had me as a weak vulcan, which is nonsense because i totally take down borgs single-handed if it arises

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Monday, 3 September 2018 10:31 (six years ago) link

if you do the test 400,000 times it gives you operating thetan

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 3 September 2018 10:37 (six years ago) link

moderate protan here

Protans are people with protanomaly, a type of red-green color blindness in which the red cones do not detect enough red and are too sensitive to greens, yellows, and oranges.

As a result, greens, yellows, oranges, reds, and browns may appear similar, especially in low light. It can also be difficult to tell the difference between blues and purples, or pinks and grays.


feel p accurate, i’ve always felt like my colorblindness was more tonal than just flat out not seeing certain colors.

nothing more disappointing than buying a pair of rad brown pants & finding out later from friends that they are green. just ~knowing~ that they were green even if i didn’t see it bummed me out lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 September 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link

checkstand light should just be green when open & OFF when closed. wasting time illuminating a checkstand light to be red when it’s closed seems dumb.

...also my indignation may be borne of colorblindess solidarity :D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 September 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link

lights that shouldn't exist:

  • lights to tell you when something is off
  • lights to tell you when something that only has one job is doing that one job
  • just all flashing lights

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 3 September 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link

i have an old laptop with a light that flashes when it's connected to wifi, which is all the time. so the light flashes all the time. i had to put three layers of electrical tape over it just to get anything done.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 3 September 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link

my pvr has a light that is blue when it's on or red if it's off or on and recording.

koogs, Monday, 3 September 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link

with the red/green light thing.
I think the main signal is that it is becoming closed (in the process of becoming so, i.e. when the customers that are already in the existing line are served the checkout girl can close the till) so is supposed to indicate that nobody new joins the end of the line. So subsequently I don't think it fits the job.
Had somebody else say its visible but people ignore it. Which I would be more inclined to think of as it doesn't work well for enough people. So would assume it isn't a visible sign for a lot of people.

Stevolende, Monday, 3 September 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link

Hi fellow colour-blindees, I think they designed the shades of traffic lights especially so even strong protans (like me) or deutans can distinguish them easily, I still was barred from driving in China though, so only was able to take my test in the UK this year, aged 38.
Weak red lights spelling things out in bright sunlight, though, can anyone see those? This meant all of the buses in one place I lived. I basically just don't notice colour, it isn't memorable and doesn't stand out except horrible neon yellow, so I hate anything colour-coded, and will make all documents greyscale if given the chance. Most annoying thing though is inability to see if bananas are ripe or if meat is cooked.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 September 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link

lights that shouldn't exist:

just all flashing lights
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fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 September 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link

lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 September 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link

or if meat is cooked.

the sheer number of people over the years who know very well that i’m colourblind and even now still tell me to “take it off when you can’t see any pink”

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link

Another annoyance from the same lidl supermarket yesterday. Somebody had dropped what looked like yoghurt on the floor and people were walking through it. So I looked for a staff member before I went to the checkout till. Couldn't see one which is annoying enough in itself. I had to walk the length of the store to get to the till and didn't see anyone.
Told the checkout guy who I thought might relay the message through his headset. Didn't seem to. I asked if he was going to be able to tell anybody about it.
So there was probably a growing sticky patch up where carts and feet had gone through this slop.
Yuck

Stevolende, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 11:17 (six years ago) link

My UK supermarket gripe is that the cashiers in Aldi scan things much more quickly than anyone can pack them. I have figured out that the only thing you can do is load them back into the trolley and pack them afterwards, but nobody will tell you this.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 11:27 (six years ago) link

the only thing you can do is load them back into the trolley and pack them afterwards

Eh, that's what you're supposed to do! The deal with ALDI and LIDL is that they have fewer staff and so longer queues, but between canny line hopping as tills open and close and the amazing speed of the cashiers, you get out much quicker than you'd expect. People who go into these places thinking they can just stand around packing before paying like in other places drive their fellow customers up the wall. You slap all your shopping back into the trolley/basket and take it to the ledge across from the tills to finish off.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link

IIRC Lidl forces you to pack them afterwards is by having a very short, almost non-existent extension of the conveyer belt for after your products are scanned. The more expensive the supermarket, the longer the extension of the belt after the till, so you can pack in with ease. This is a luxury you pay for.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 11:56 (six years ago) link

My UK supermarket gripe is that the cashiers in Aldi scan things much more quickly than anyone can pack them.

this is legit stressful

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link

jesus folks some grips get them

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:13 (six years ago) link

aisle two for grips, sir.

This pissed up idiot that used to live around the corner from me, went into the Savile Town Asda with a friend after they had a skinful one night, got into an argument with him and slashed his throat - leaving him with a 6 inch laceration. That's what you really call giving in to anger in a supermarket setting!

calzino, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:22 (six years ago) link

jesus folks some grips get them

let’s see how long YOU last at the arse end of an aldi tornado

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:24 (six years ago) link

it’s like being drowned in a hail of bullets, except the bullets are near-perfect renditions of well-known pasta sauces and wafer biscuits

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link

if you aint up for the challenge of racing the deadeyed checkpoint checkout guard then the posher shops for gran is usually only a bus away soldier

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:37 (six years ago) link

jesus folks some grips get them
Yeah, probably the wrong thread for this as it never made me angry, just part of the culture shock of returning to the UK after spending my adulthood abroad, would be nice if they could put up a sign or something though, there are plenty of people trying desperately to pack teetering piles of groceries and getting tutted at.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link

Subtle protests of divide and conquer.
Customers should rise and overthrow these stupid processes innit?
Form a co-op like.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 13:24 (six years ago) link

xp signs cost money!

lee guacamole (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link

Subtle protests of divide and conquer.
Customers should rise and overthrow these stupid processes innit?
Form a co-op like.

i regret to inform you that your haiku needs work

my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

threads called things like 'new spiritualized album'

koogs, Thursday, 20 September 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link

ha ha

we are all in a permanent state of not really remembering the last Spiritualized album though

Mighty Seething Bat (sic), Thursday, 20 September 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

All sound the same :P

Ross, Thursday, 20 September 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link

People whistling or beeping at you - drives me nuts. My boss does this

Ross, Thursday, 20 September 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link

Facebook inserting 7 second ads into the middle of 30 second videos

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Thursday, 20 September 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link

The warning on my phone's lockscreen saying i'm 'dangerously low on space' like it might spontaneously combust if i don't delete something.

Winner of the 2018 Great British Bae *cough* (ledge), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 10:01 (six years ago) link

"@threadreaderapp please unroll thread"

goole, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link

People who start a sentence with the phrase "the reality is..."

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link

ending a phrase/headline with "AF"

omar little, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link

IAAF

pplains, Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link

The United States Air Force is frequently abbreviated as US...

Romantic koolmoedee (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 30 September 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link

AS FUCK DOT MIL

El Tomboto, Sunday, 30 September 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link

My grandfather served in the Air Force.

I live within ten minutes of an AFB.

I even wore my freebie Air Force t-shirt today.

All that to say, I don't think the United States Air Force is AF about anything.

pplains, Sunday, 30 September 2018 05:49 (six years ago) link

OTMAF

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 30 September 2018 05:55 (six years ago) link

"here's something i wrote abt xxx in yyy: url"
"here's a thing* i wrote abt xxx in yyy: url" *(or piece or article or essay or feature or whatever)
^^^all more or less fine

"here's me on xxx in yyy: url"
getting annoying

"me on xxx in yyy: url"
teeth-gnashingly bad

mark s, Sunday, 30 September 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link

Roommates.com has "af" on every other page

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 30 September 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/W4LoPKt.png

pplains, Sunday, 30 September 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link


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