Lots of homophobic/transphobic cheap laughs in MP too - all in line with the popular light entertainment of the day.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:53 (five years ago) link
Oh yes, of course! There's a reason why Netflix isn't re-running the Goodies - and it's not just to annoy Bill Oddie, though that is a fine and noble reason in itself.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
It seems like most of the threads I engage with have at least one or two 'oof'-worthy posts that I can consider within the given context and move on from.
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:26 (five years ago) link
(xposts, as I'd hope would be obvious)
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:30 (five years ago) link
yanks as a rule think the gilliam stuff is what mattered thats how you know not to mind too much what yanks think about mp
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:44 (five years ago) link
Monty Python's That Shit Doesn't Fly Any More Circus
― Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
You know what does hold up? The sketch where Hitler, Von Ribbentrop and Himmler are hiding out in a British b&b.
"No, no, you've got the wrong map there, this is Stalingrad, you want the Ilfracombe and Barnstaple section."
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:58 (five years ago) link
yes, as with all things from 1970, comedy was much more sexist.
with 1930, at least you have Groucho, who made sexism hilarious.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 12:13 (five years ago) link
xp i liked it when hitler disguised as mr hilter was holding a political rally and a woman in the crowd complained, ‘i gave him my baby to kiss and he bit it on the head’
― estela, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 12:20 (five years ago) link
Also the mountaineering expedition sketch, "... Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb you know, most of it is up until you reach the very very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply".
(thread descends into a succession of 'funny' quotes)
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:30 (five years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Stomp.gif
― mark s, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:44 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Maybe if those other guys had ever done anything after Python instead of fading into obscurity we would feel differently.
Wait, I take it back, I guess one of them was in The Great Muppet Caper. The exception that proves the rule.
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
You mean you never saw Terry Jones' "Barbarians" documentary series? That was v. good.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
Poor Americans haven't had the pleasure of watching Eric Idle's 'Breakaway' adverts
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
I dont' think the intention was ever racist, but the presentation certainly...doesn't age well. That said, the golden moments of the show do not involve any of those sketches. The best sketches are still funny. ARgument Clinc, Parrot, that hilarious sketch where they classify words as 'woody' or 'tinny'....I'd say a good 1/3 of this entire series is out of the part brilliant and holds up. The rest varies from 'very good' to 'wtf'.
"He and Chris Guest played two elderly ex-Negro League ballplayers when they were on SNL in '84-85. I remember that being funny."
this is one of the best SNL bits in history (as is most of that season IMO).
― akm, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:24 (five years ago) link
With the possible exception of Kids in the Hall, I don't think there's a sketch show in existence with a hit/miss ratio that far exceeds 50/50. I'd say MP hits that threshold. Despite being a half decade older, it at least holds up better than the 'classic' era of SNL.
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
The sketches with the merchant banker being asked to give to charity; and the man undergoing the bizarre job interview (with Cleese playing the banker and the interviewer, respectively) are probably in my top 5, are still extremely funny, and have none of the "problematic" stuff. Some of y'all are crazy.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link
Yeah I've never met an American MP fan who felt that Gilliam was the main attraction. Guy just got a lot more ink over the years because his work outside of Python was significantly higher profile.
xps
― circa1916, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
Wait, was Monty Python responsible for that weirdly-long epilogue to my favorite Gilliam movie, The Crimson Permanent Insurance? That was pretty good, I guess.
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah darragh have you met someone who was like “I only liked the cartoons?” I cannot imagine such a person into being
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
Insurance Assurance, oof
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
"Yeah flying circus has some pretty racist bits, but have you rewatched Spike Milligan's Q.. series recently?
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length)"
"less racist than Q" is setting the bar real, real low.
"The Wikipedia page for Al Jolson contains a lot of carefully sourced “he had black friends” which made me kind of 🤨
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby)"
yes this is extremely wikipedia, i recall the wikipedia page for "coal black and de sebben dwarfs" being the same way
"Lots of homophobic/transphobic cheap laughs in MP too - all in line with the popular light entertainment of the day.
― Ward Fowler"
yeah for me personally their contribution to the (long established) british tradition of comedy transvestism is the worst thing about them
having made all these ancillary complaints i will point out as is my wont that "monty python and the holy grail" is one of the most historically accurate movies about the medieval era there is and i will always love them for that
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
It was a prologue, not an epilogue – shown before TMoL, or the first part of it if you will.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
I think you have been read that xps too fast.
― Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
monty python and the holy grail" is one of the most historically accurate movies about the medieval era
I find the prevelance of coconuts unlikely tbh.
― Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
xpost Yes, as per usual, that was just me being a total dipshit.
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
it may have been british ilxors on this very thread who the fucknose
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
It's always anglophile Americans I come across who love MP the most and the grotesque 'Britishness' is obviously a big part of the appeal.
― Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
"Wait, was Monty Python responsible for that weirdly-long epilogue to my favorite Gilliam movie, The Crimson Permanent Insurance? That was pretty good, I guess."
that is from a Monty Python film, yes.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
― Fantasy Eyelid (Old Lunch), Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:04 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Welcome to Gropelord, TX (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
It helps to know that the prologue was very much Gilliam's thing.
― Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
Also, whatever dialect Graham Chapman is using in the "flying sheep" sketch never fails to make me laugh. Nor does the following bit with Cleese and Palin speaking as Frenchmen demonstrating the sheep airliner.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
i thought this was funny OL do not apologise
― Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
yes, OL's dumb joke was good and ppl explaining it to him are the true dummies
There's a reason why Netflix isn't re-running the Goodies - and it's not just to annoy Bill Oddie, though that is a fine and noble reason in itself.
It's the same reason they're not re-running any other British sitcom or sketch-com or sit-sketch or indeed any programme of any kind from the 1970s (or 1980s or 1990s)
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
Netflix US does have 'Allo 'Allo!
― carson dial, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
I rescind my entire posting history
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
Also, whatever dialect Graham Chapman is using in the "flying sheep" sketch never fails to make me laugh.
Yes! "Notice they do not so much fly, as ploomet."
― Drunk Charles Nelson Reily violating Paul Lynn at a toga party (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
Aussie Netflix has fawlty towers and yes minister, there’s probably more but I can’t say I’ve loooked too hard.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
There's a reason why Netflix isn't re-running the Goodies
There's plenty of racism in The Goodies and at least one incidence of blackface (specifically Tim Brooke-Taylor in blackface as an African-American boxer in 'Kung-Fu Capers'). The BBC did a 'Goodies Night' a few years ago and IIRC they couldn't show an entire episode. Instead they kept showing clips and then cutting back to Tim/Grahame/Bill in a studio in front of a live audience.
― Chequers Plays Pop (snoball), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
A kind of generic West Country yokel accent. Or East Anglian.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
ha ha, searching for Yes, Minister on US Netflix brings up:
Fawlty TowersThe IT CrowdWorld War II In Colourthe US remake of House Of CardsBodyguardThe Good PlaceDeath In ParadiseFriends Life Of BrianThe Roosevelts: An Intimate Historyand Lars Von Trier's Nymphomaniac
― sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
My first exposure to Python was via a CBBC programme called 'Boxpops' which also featured this sketch from NTNOCN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUyK6JWt9U
Which, while somewhat true, isn't half calling the kettle black in NTNOCN's case. And re-watching it on YouTube a year or so ago, it's probably aged much worse…
― carson dial, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
i certainly think SCTV w/ the peak cast was better than 50/50
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link
is SCTV streaming anywhere?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link
It is strange how poorly the UK looks back on the Goodies - it was very very popular in Australia in the 80s as a kids show! Apparently even the cast members were a bit taken aback.
I dont recall weather what we saw was edited much, but probably not given how shithouse Australians tend to be about caring about racism/sexism in media in the first place ("its just a jooooke cant you take a joke" etc)
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
haha never saw that NTNOCN skit. Funny.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link
AFAIK the Goodies never ran in the US, at least not with any regularity; maybe a few PBS stations picked it up in the 80's. I've never seen it and only knew about it from books on Python.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:50 (five years ago) link
It is strange how poorly the UK looks back on the Goodies - it was very very popular in Australia in the 80s as a kids show!
It was generally considered a bit of kids show in the UK tbh.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
it was a kids show
― mark s, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
it was on at 7, even benny hill was on at 8