Captain Marvel (2019), dir. Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck

okay, fine then!

Glad we were able to get the customary misunderstanding-laden tussle between heroes out of the way so quickly.

now let's get on with derailing the captain marvel thread even further

(rolls up spandex sleeves)

Best Actor Nominees of the last 20 years:

Unaffiliated: 33 (Adrien Brody, Bill Murray, Brad Pitt, Bruce Dern, Bryan Cranston, Casey Affleck, Clint Eastwood, Colin Firth, Daniel Day-Lewis, David Strathairn, Demián Bichir, Denzel Washington, Dustin Hoffman, Eddie Redmayne, Ed Harris, Javier Bardem, Jean Dujardin, Johnny Depp, Leonardo Di Caprio, Matthew McConaughey, Peter Fonda, Peter O'Toole, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Richard Farnsworth, Richard Jenkins, Robert Duvall, Roberto Benigni, Russell Crowe, Sean Penn, Steve Carell, Timothée Chalamet, Tom Hanks, Viggo Mortensen)

Spiderman: 4 (Andrew Garfield, James Franco, Jamie Foxx, Michael Keaton**)

X-Men: 3 (Hugh Jackman, Michael Fassbender, Ian McKellen)

Marvel MCU: 16 (Ben Kingsley, Benedict Cumberbatch, Bradley Cooper, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Daniel Kaluuya, Don Cheadle, Edward Norton, Forest Whitaker, Jeff Bridges, Jeremy Renner, Jude Law, Matt Damon*, Mickey Rourke, Nicolas Cage, Nick Nolte, Terrence Howard)

Batman: 11 (Christian Bale, Gary Oldman, George Clooney, Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, Michael Caine, Michael Keaton**, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Gosling, Tommy Lee Jones, Tom Wilkinson)

Other DC: 6 (Frank Langella, Geoffrey Rush***, Jesse Eisenberg, Joaquin Phoenix, Kevin Spacey, Will Smith)

* very brief cameo in Thor: Ragnarok
** double entry
*** a voice (1/2 points) in Green Lantern (double points)

Going back to 25 years would also net us Woody Harrelson, Laurence Fishburne, Liam Neeson, Anthony Hopkins, Robert Downey Jr, and Ralph Fiennes, who played Alfred in the Lego Batman Movie.

Obviously there are very very few people in the 'Unaffiliated' who could claim any kind of high moral ground over their position.

Some of those Unaffiliated folks starrd in some off-brand superhero stuff (e.g. Strathairn in Alphas). Also, Russell Crowe was in one of the nu Supermans, no?

Sure enough. And I'm sure you could come up with comics-related work for a lot of the people who haven't starred in superhero films per se (Hoffman in Dick Tracy immediately springs to mind).

Hanks in Road to Perdition, Mortensen in History of Violence, Depp in From Hell, etc.

Probably not the point Andrew was making, but still.

Superhero films definitely beneath the dignity of a Roberto Benigni.

nominated for their comic movie work?

Pretty sure only Olivier has earned that honor thus far.

heath ledger only winner, right

Vincent D'Onofrio won best Supporting for Men In Black iirc

actually lol: both Paul Newman and William Hurt have had IRL Oscar Best Supporting noms for comic-book adaptations

Brad Pitt had a cameo in Deadpool 2, so move him into the X-Men pile. (xps)

Good work on Brad Pitt, and of course Russell Crowe, as two-fisted Marlon Brando.

I didn't really have a point, except that I had a spare hour or so.

Best actress for the last 20:

Unaffiliated: 45 (Angelina Jolie, Carey Mulligan, Catalina Sandino Moreno, Charlize Theron, Charlotte Rampling, Diane Keaton, Ellen Burstyn, Emily Watson, Emmanuelle Riva, Felicity Huffman, Fernanda Montenegro, Frances McDormand, Gabourey Sidibe, Helen Mirren, Hilary Swank, Imelda Staunton, Isabelle Huppert, Janet McTeer, Jessica Chastain, Joan Allen, Judi Dench, Julia Roberts, Julianne Moore, Julie Christie, Juliette Binoche, Kate Winslet, Keira Knightley, Keisha Castle-Hughes, Laura Linney, Melissa Leo, Meryl Streep, Naomi Watts, Penélope Cruz, Quvenzhané Wallis, Reese Witherspoon, Renée Zellweger, Rooney Mara, Rosamund Pike, Ruth Negga, Sally Hawkins, Salma Hayek, Samantha Morton, Sandra Bullock, Saoirse Ronan, Sissy Spacek)

Spiderman: 3 (Emma Stone, Felicity Jones, Michelle Williams)

X-Men: 2 (Ellen Page, Jennifer Lawrence)

Marvel MCU: 6 (Annette Bening, Brie Larson, Cate Blanchett, Glenn Close, Gwyneth Paltrow, Natalie Portman)

Batman: 3 (Anne Hathaway, Halle Berry, Marion Cotillard)

Other DC: 5 (Amy Adams, Diane Lane, Margot Robbie, Nicole Kidman, Viola Davis)

It's worth pointing out that again, none of the people in the (much larger than the men) Unaffiliated are only doing 'proper' acting - they're just not in the expensive low-brow stuff.

Another 5 years would just get us Angela Basset and Holly Hunter

And again, there's a non-negligible portion of the unaffiliated who've made non-superhero comics movies.

(And perhaps worth noting: Ruth Negga has been featured on both a superhero and a non-superhero comics adaptation tv series.)

Angelina Jolie starred in a Mark Millar adaptation - unless you're discounting that bcz it was supervillains not superheroes, but you've counted Bassett:

Another 5 years would just get us Angela Basset and Holly Hunter

^ also moves Naomi Watts into might-as-well-be-superhero-for-these-purposes

I'm not really counting indie supers, or the note on Geoffrey Rush would have read "As Casanova Frankenstein in Mystery Men" - or TV by the same mark - this is not hard science.

^ also moves Naomi Watts into might-as-well-be-superhero-for-these-purposes

Tank Girl, Divergent or Birdman? :)

Best Supporting Actor, just because I'm amused how much the MCU and Spiderman has raided this category, and also to get Ethan Hawke in:

Unaffiliated: 33 (Alan Alda, Alan Arkin, Albert Finney, Alec Baldwin*, Barkhad Abdi, Billy Bob Thornton, Casey Affleck, Christoph Waltz, Christopher Plummer, Clive Owen, Dev Patel, Ed Harris, Eddie Murphy, Ethan Hawke, Hal Holbrook, Haley Joel Osment, Jackie Earle Haley, James Coburn, Javier Bardem, Jim Broadbent, John Hawkes, Jon Voight, Jonah Hill, Lucas Hedges, Mark Rylance, Mark Wahlberg, Matt Dillon, Max von Sydow, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Richard Jenkins, Robert De Niro, Robert Duvall, Tom Cruise)

Spiderman: 10 (Chris Cooper, J. K. Simmons, Jake Gyllenhaal, Jamie Foxx, Mahershala Ali, Paul Giamatti, Thomas Haden Church, Tom Hardy, Willem Dafoe, Woody Harrelson)

X-Men: 2 (Michael Fassbender, Ian McKellen)

Marvel MCU: 20 (Ben Kingsley, Benicio del Toro, Bradley Cooper, Djimon Hounsou, Edward Norton, Jeff Bridges, Jeremy Renner, John C. Reilly, Josh Brolin, Jude Law, Kenneth Branagh**, Mark Ruffalo, Matt Damon, Michael Clarke Duncan***, Nick Nolte, Robert Downey Jr., Sam Rockwell, Stanley Tucci, Sylvester Stallone, William Hurt)

Batman: 9 (Christian Bale, Christopher Walken, George Clooney, Heath Ledger, Ken Watanabe, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Tommy Lee Jones, Tom Wilkinson)

Other DC: 5 (Geoffrey Rush, Jared Leto, Joaquin Phoenix, Michael Shannon, Tim Robbins)

* Though he was the motherfucking Shadow, which has to count for something.
** Asgardian Distress Caller in Infinity War, apparently, but also he directed Thor
*** Daredevil

Watchmen has been assimilated against its will into the DCU so I think Jackie Earle Haley is technically affiliated.

See, now I want a cumulative list of all thirteen or so of these nominees/winners whose filmographies remain unsullied by any comics-related project.

Alda was Commissioner Gordon in the first Batman, btw.

How did you do Best Actress and miss Halle Berry?

(She's listed under Batman.)

That is just ornery

Halle Berry and Julianne Moore are in the second Kingsman movie.

Jessica Chastain is in the next X-Men.

Casanova Frankenstein

Original to the film! (as are all but two of the characters iirc)

AF already said he’s not counting Millar joints (though obv I endorse noting them!)

firstly

unless for a comic book role, this is even more pointless than it appears

secondly, road to perdition might be an adaptation of a graphic novel, but a comic-book movie it aint and yes u fuckin know the difference dont start

ah yes, the highbrow literary tone of a Max Allan Collins, filtered through the cinéaste vision of a Sam Mendes, produces something ineffably transformative

Graphic novels are comic books

grats

road to perdition is not a comic book movie

avengers et al are

Gone With the Wind is not a book movie.

Harry Potter et al are.

Very few comics adaptations adapt particularly hifalutin comics, and even when they (arguably) do, the films themselves don't usually wind up particularly hifalutin (eg From Hell).

New trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX33bIOA5aA

I mean, appropriate song use there.

Man, "Connection" is almost 25 years old ... We're nearly as far from that song as, like, Prince's "Sign O the Times" is from "Love Me Do."

i've said itt before but man i can't stop boggling at how good that de-ageing tech is getting

We've only seen it in short bursts though right? It was a little borderline in GOTG2 and Star Wars, and that was only a couple of years ago.

it looked noticeably better in ant-man and the wasp iirc

Ant man 2 times

Lol at Darraghmac's attempt to argue some comic books are more equal than others.

Road to Perdition is actually more of a comic book movie than the MCU ones, because it does actually adapt the story of a comic book into a movie, whereas the Marvel films mostly have original plots that take some story elements from various comics.

fun fact: road to perdition is absolutely fucking terrible

the de-aging in Aquaman looked good on Nicole Kidman and bizarre on Temuera Morrison... I don't think anyone has it down to a science yet

Some behind the scenes/set interviews/this and that, a couple of spoilers along the way, etc etc.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/captain-marvel-will-bring-the-might-of-carol-danvers-to-1831497102

very cool!!

https://taskandpurpose.com/captain-marvel-featurette-air-force
https://taskandpurpose.com/captain-marvel-air-force-recruiting

the deaging on Kidman was the best I've ever seen. I mean if you didn't know she actually looked older you would not have known anything was done to her at all. Of course she looks kind of unreal in real life these days too.