Okay so the example that spurred my revive: there was this situation that was nuanced and might have been handled in a variety of ways which I would've discussed with others in (that one guy)'s position before making a decision about how to proceed but, because I knew I would get effing nowhere with that approach, I made an executive decision and just told him to let this party outside of the company know that we couldn't do the thing they were requesting of us. Any of the others in his position would have known that my email was intended for his eyes only and would have tailored a response for this outside party, but he opted to just forward my email to them (thankfully I omitted any sensitive information). When he finally gets a response from the outside party, he didn't manage to forward their response to me (which I predicted, because he's a fuckup) but rather to the person who initially alerted me to and had no hand in resolving the issue in question (a person whose opinion of (that one guy) was once benign and uncolored by regular interaction with him but who, in conversation about this matter, referred to him unguardedly as 'that asshole').
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
a passing spacecadet - lots of jobs involved with operations and feeds and distribution and things like that rely on someone to do the vlookups and reconcile everything
― ogmor, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
a passing spacecadet: yes, it was in the finance department of the company in question, but I also worked in that department and am as dumb as the dumbest of posts wrt matters of finance. I think one continual lesson of this thread is 'never sell yourself short'.
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link
the peter principle is real, folks
― can’t stop thinking about amy adams as crash bandicoot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:07 (five years ago) link
It's kind of weird how much vlookups are needed but I consider it basic excel. If that was a prime qualification of a job I would want someone to at least be intermediate to advanced excel so they can at least deal with spreadsheets coming from multiple sources.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
(By way of contrast, I was temp-to-hire at my current job and was asked about a month in if I knew how to do v-lookups and said I'd done them a couple times before and would figure it out and I did and I did them regularly and remained a temp for another eleven months.)
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
I think a great deal of professional success is predicated upon bullshitting and gladhanding and I'm an epic failure at both of those things so my facility wrt any other skillset is ultimately kinda beside the point.
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:20 (five years ago) link
thanks all btw!
I guess I do something kind of related to "operations and feeds and distribution" (my job title contained 1 of those words and a near-synonym of another until we all got re-titled to something generic) but the nice thing about my particular job is that it's not a major problem, or at least generally not my fault, if not everything reconciles at the end
the thought of being relied on to make everything add up monetarily or process-wise is a little daunting, which is half of why I said "not finance", along with, well, not knowing anything about finance/accounting
basically I want a job where they pay me not to be accountable for anything meaningful at all, which I admit is not a very lucrative line of work for yr average joe or spacecadet
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:21 (five years ago) link
Don't let it being in finance stop you. Most places' IT and operations are a total mess and are in a neverending backlog of reconciliation anyway.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:28 (five years ago) link
if someone in IT insists that a system will be perfect and never need reconciliation, they are a horrible liar
― mh, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:33 (five years ago) link
Okay, okay. This very minute, (that one guy) forwarded an email to just me but wrote a response in the email intended for the sender (and ftr, I guarantee he doesn't understand how bcc works, so that isn't what's happening here). I could honestly pop in here many times on any given day to just bitch about this dude.
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link
my newest boss couldn’t figure out how to copy paste an element within a powerpoint. we use powerpoint day in day out for briefings etc. lord give me strength
― ||||||||, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:44 (five years ago) link
i had to tell someone what a link was once.
― FernandoHierro, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
they were working on selling ads for a website.
like a cyberlink?
― maffew12, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link
I lost my rag in a meeting with aforementioned coworker yesterday after he was failing to answer what I thought was a fairly simple question and exasperatedly asked him "do you know what HTML is?" then I realised I wasn't helping matters so I calmed down a bit. but seriously I don't know what to do with him sometimes
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link
I know I have mentioned this before but I had to teach T3ddy Roosevelt IV how to doubleclick. I guess his assistant usually handled his mouse.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link
I feel like my general expectation of coworkers (possess a basic understanding of your responsibilities and the tools you need to do your job and then just actually, like, do your job) is such a ridiculously low bar that most people would be likely to clear it almost by accident. And yet. And yet.
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
lol Yerac
― mh, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:19 (five years ago) link
xp I'm in the same boat - I don't expect people to be able to do everything, I'm happy to pick up all the complicated things, but to have to do all the complicated things *and* help idiots do ridiculously basic tasks all the fucking time as well is just too much sometimes
I suggested to management I sit with him and do pair programming or give him training courses to work through but they shot it down saying it would take up too much time, never mind that my time is constantly wasted and interrupted, but unfortunately complete inability to do your job is also a problem with management at this godforsaken company of morons
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link
― kinder, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link
unbelievably, all of the programmers I work with (10 ppl) are competent engineers and communicators. Everybody just ... does their work. Bumps in the road are handled in level-headed and efficient meetings. I really lucked out, I am so grateful to work with these people. now clients, on the other hand...
― boobie, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
I like dealing with just programmers. I hate managing or clients or the general employee population so I once had a job create me a role where I just dealt with programmers. It was awesome.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
it would take up too much time
more than nearly any other factor, I'm incredibly grateful whenever I'm working with people that understand investing a reasonable amount of time in something now will result in fewer headaches... from now until infinity
― mh, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:18 (five years ago) link
Y'all extolling the virtues of programmers clearly don't work for my company. Just reminded today that some supergenius has recently set up an autoreplace in the primary piece of (proprietary, and it shows) software we use such that every typed apostrophe is swapped out with a grave accent, thus rendering our already unwieldy and damn near inoperable search function even moreso (ie every search for let's say 'Joe's Diner' turns up zero results even if there were a hundred instances of 'Joe's Diner' entered into our database).
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 June 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
Oh, they jack up stuff all the time but they are easier to deal with on a day to day basis. Maybe because all the programmers I have ever had to deal with were in the UK or Budapest.
― Yerac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link
Yeah, generally and in other workplaces I agree with that more sanguine assessment. The magnitude of the jacking up here (see f'rinstance: hours-long mid-day outages on a regular basis, wherein hundreds of people are left twiddling their collective thumbs while collecting a paycheck) would be a fireable offense pretty much anywhere else I'd worked.
― Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 June 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
I worked in a company of thousands that wouldn't be able to execute trades because of some issue. No one would be fired.
― Yerac, Thursday, 6 June 2019 19:30 (five years ago) link
The bar is always a lot lower than you would think.
I have a coworker who started here within the past year after previously working on software for high frequency trading. There are some stories, although most of them involve clients who insisted they wanted software that did specific things, despite being told they were bad ideas. I think at least one of these ideas got trading suspended in a major exchange until the program was turned off.
high frequency trading markets are a bad idea
― mh, Friday, 7 June 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
>at least one of these ideas got trading suspended in a major exchange until the program was turned off.
i know nothing about the world of finance and markets etc – but i feel like this would be a huge deal.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 7 June 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
you would be surprised!https://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions.shtml
― mh, Friday, 7 June 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
wait, I take that back -- it was likely a trading halt, which is different and even more common
My colleague was reprimanded by HR for ignoring the rules: she always takes days off on weekends (busiest days). Lol. I laugh but it results in more work for me. Grrrr.
― nathom, Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link
coffee in one hand, suddenly remember that you need your pass to get through the security gates and start scrabbling for it in your pocket with your free hand. maybe don't do this whilst INSIDE the revolving doors.
― koogs, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 08:47 (five years ago) link
an incident has erupted after someone wrote a page on the work wiki which says at the top "THIS IS A DRAFT - PLEASE ADD COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, ETC." and someone edited it
oh no, now page editor #2 has left the room and everyone else is being asked for opinions i.e. to take sides
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:27 (five years ago) link
you did the right thing in going online
― maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:41 (five years ago) link
I was just enjoying the swing from "please edit this page" to "how dare anyone edit this page"
a distraction has been found in the form of something else to get wound up about, fortunately (?)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:06 (five years ago) link
what to get for lunch?
― maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:09 (five years ago) link
A new contender emerges.
Taking a full mug of tea/coffee/hot beverage into the toilet cubicle with you to drink during your morning dump.
(These are the worst office toilets I've ever come across mind, one day the whole room was painted in watery hangover vomit and another the toilet seat was covered in what I can only assume was the remains of someone shaving their pubic hair off. Last week someone did the world's longest toothbrushing, all the time standing over a urinal.)
― Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 20 June 2019 07:03 (five years ago) link
oh no
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 June 2019 08:26 (five years ago) link
Oh yes. They were a slurper.
― Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 20 June 2019 10:23 (five years ago) link
deeply upsetting post
― RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 20 June 2019 10:25 (five years ago) link
They also did the "... ah!" after every slurp.
― Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 20 June 2019 10:32 (five years ago) link
please stop
― RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 20 June 2019 10:33 (five years ago) link
That's what I was thinking at the time.
― Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Thursday, 20 June 2019 10:43 (five years ago) link
A puddle of urine slowly accumulates on the floor in front of the urinals in my office. Every. Single. Day.
Workplace restrooms are perhaps the strongest refutation of mankind as a civilized species.
― Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 June 2019 11:55 (five years ago) link
[reels from thread with eyes streaming, staggers blindly away, careening from the walls]
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 20 June 2019 12:24 (five years ago) link
Maybe they are still under the impression that urine helps in case of jellyfish stings.
― Yerac, Thursday, 20 June 2019 13:28 (five years ago) link
i was relieved this was in reference to the coffee drinker.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 June 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link