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Have you seen the straight story?

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link

I just went looking for home-video releases of TSS and that is a disgusting situation -- a DVD with package design so bad it looks like a bootleg, and no blu-ray. I demand the Criterion Collection do something about this soonest.

I am curious (george) (slight return) (WmC), Friday, 21 June 2019 21:33 (five years ago) link

are there different dvd versions? there appear to be at least 3 different cover images for it. I think it's the only feature of his I've never seen. I doubt it will surpass The Return for me, however

Dan S, Friday, 21 June 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link

Yeah it's afaik the only Lynch work I still haven't seen (aside from the Duran Duran film but come on). They really do need to make with the blu-ray already, gahdammit.

a fan of the Beetles, the Beach boys, the Monkeys (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 June 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link

It's still a great movie on DVD.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:07 (five years ago) link

I will watch it!

Dan S, Friday, 21 June 2019 23:10 (five years ago) link

Not Straight Story Bluray news but...

Dear Twitter Friends, A Blu-ray of LOST HIGHWAY will be released very soon. It was made from old elements and NOT from a restoration of the original negative. I hope that a version from the restoration of the original negative will happen as soon as possible.

— David Lynch (@DAVID_LYNCH) June 22, 2019

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 June 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

Hih, that's disappointing

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link

great way to kill that BR release...!

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 24 June 2019 08:10 (five years ago) link

Xpost way upthread to Alfred - sure I would say its def not uncommon for me to meet ppl who profess to be super into lynch but aren’t really able to discuss (or in many cases haven’t seen) his movies that don’t feature IN YR FACE horror & grotesquerie. In my experience these are usually people under 40 for whom Lynch’s oeuvre is Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Drive, and [everything else].

One Eye Open, Monday, 24 June 2019 14:24 (five years ago) link

those ppl usually haven't seen The Elephant Man either

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 June 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link

Or any of his appearances on The Cleveland Show. Philistines.

Top Number One Most Of Smart (Old Lunch), Monday, 24 June 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link

Kino Lorber responded to David Lynch's tweet from over the weekend. It sounds like Lynch's dissatisfaction with the release is partially his fault.https://t.co/J8NrKe7jLm pic.twitter.com/o1hSEYGKcn

— Eric Dienstfrey (@SignalsToNoises) June 24, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link

I know that Tim Lucas recorded the commentary track for the Kino Lorber release that Lynch nixed (on general principle - he just doesn't like 'em).

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link

kino strike me as 'budget criterion'.

akm, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link

which isn't to say they haven't put out good things.

akm, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link

I'd say your impression is accurate on both counts.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link

Lost Highway, more like Lost Opportunity

it's not his worst (that would be Wild at Heart) but Tuomas is right in that it's clearly a dry run for the shifting identities and inverted realities of Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire, Twin Peaks: The Return etc. But it contains a bunch of sequences that don't really work, and several of the stunt cameos (Marilyn Manson, but also Richard Pryor) take me out of the movie.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:34 (five years ago) link

I think Lost Highway actually is his worst, but most people can probably come together and at least agree that the worst Lynch project featured the involvement of Barry Gifford (had actually literally forgotten that Hotel Room existed until this very moment).

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link

yup, Gifford was a bad influence

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link

Probably not I reckon

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link

or at least a mismatch as far as collaborators go

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link

one and a half of the hotel rooms are actually pretty good imo

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link

No judgment inasmuch as I haven't seen them recently enough to judge, just recalling that they were another Gifford joint and among the less feted Lynch works.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link

yeah, i agree! i liked the crispin glover episode, and i like Wild at Heart too, but they're way down on my Lynch list

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link

One of the many ways ppl read twin peaks s3 was as a kind of résumé, Lynch working in all these modes he’d worked in before, with bits that felt like eraserhead, dune, his paintings... what was maybe most surprising was that along with all his features and the two Lynch/frost series there was a decent bit of hotel room in the return’s dna

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link

I think of the Gifford era as Lynch's 'try hard' period. He didn't seem to have as much faith in his otherwise-uncanny instincts. Which I think was best encapsulated for me when I finally saw the deleted scenes from Wild at Heart. In most other instances, material that doesn't make it into the final cut of a Lynch film feels like added texture, something of a piece with the greater whole but not particularly necessary. With respect to Wild at Heart, some of the excised scenes felt rather more integral and as if they'd been cut just to make the finished film seem WEEEEIRD. One of the rare instances where I feel like an expanded cut would make for a better film.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link

But I was mainly disagreeing that there was consensus about a Gifford project being his worst. A lot of people really don’t like dune or inland empire, and both wild at heart & lost highway are beloved

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link

I watched Lost Highway for the first time a week or so back and liked it a lot, although as everybody mentions it has a lot of similarities to Mulholland Drive. I've only seen Blue Velvet (decades ago), Twin Peaks (original series), Fire Walk With Me, this, Straight Story, and Mulholland Drive. Although none of them near enough to one another for comparison purposes. What makes Lost Highway suck so bad, in so many people's eyes?

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link

The only sequences that work in LH are the opening credits using Bowie's "I'm Deranged" and the wizardry editing of Bill Pullman's late night free jazz performance. Everything else is a rehash (Robert Blake doing Frank Booth), clearly the end of a method.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:19 (five years ago) link

I agree w that

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link

I wouldn't say it sucks (even the worst Lynch is better than the majority of extant things), rather that it just feels like thin soup to me. Most of his work is a deep well from which I can drink full over and over, but I just don't get much out of LH.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link

there are good moments and scenes throughout tbf. I love the scene w Robert Blake with the phone at the party, for example.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link

the end of one method but the beginning of another (Möbius strip timelines)

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link

xp

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link

David Foster Wallace's essay for Premiere on its making is the best thing it inspired.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link

the end of one method but the beginning of another (Möbius strip timelines)

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone)

Oh sure. The Straight Story was an unexpected, delightful return, more successfully "Lynchian" than LH. Then along came Mulholland Drive.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link

Robert Blake doing Frank Booth

... no i disagree with this

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link

DFW essay is great. Also responsible for convincing me to reconsider the implications of the final shot of Blue Velvet.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link

Yeah do you mean loggia?

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link

I was lukewarm on LH at the time but it'll be of interest longer than most movies from 1997. Seeing it projected on a huge screen took it to another level for me.

Chris L, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:24 (five years ago) link

no, Blake as Mystery Man with his damn face paint.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link

Is like frank booth how

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link

it's still not really remotely frank boothish imo, blake's performance is much more an otherworldly evil intruding on our universe kind of thing

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link

No offense intended, but I don't understand arguments like "of interest longer than most moves from 1997" or "even the worst Lynch is better than the majority of extant things" when I can think of 10 superior movies released in 1997. It's an argument I hear in music discussion too tbh ("Even bad X is better than most Y.").

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:26 (five years ago) link

more of a composed faustian bob xp

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link

Is like frank booth how

― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins)

Creepy Evil, albeit in LH Lynch smooshed Hopper's character and Dean Stockwell's.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link

No offense intended, but I don't understand arguments like "of interest longer than most moves from 1997" or "even the worst Lynch is better than the majority of extant things" when I can think of 10 superior movies released in 1997. It's an argument I hear in music discussion too tbh ("Even bad X is better than most Y.").

Hyperbole, though I myself use it in cases like Kiarostami, whose Taste of Cherry is one of those 1997 films in question.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link

Less an argument than an opinion. Like (by way of wholly arbitrary example) I'd rather rewatch Lost Highway than say the majority of films that have been nominated for Academy Awards. Others, I'm sure, feel differently.

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link


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