Did “cool runnings” fall out of favor because of the movie?
― If I were a POLL I’d be Zinging (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 22 June 2019 02:08 (five years ago) link
I have never heard the phrase “cool runnings” in a context unrelated to the movie
― don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Saturday, 22 June 2019 05:03 (five years ago) link
I should have been clearer, no issue with celtic-extraction variants such as “yersel’”. It’s the faux-formal Apprentice UK form that grates.
― michaellambert, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
"asking for a friend"
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 28 June 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
"Best (whatever) in town, go!"
― Das Leben ist klein Ponyhof (doo dah), Friday, 28 June 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
(Someone looking for recommendations, I mean)
― Das Leben ist klein Ponyhof (doo dah), Friday, 28 June 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link
The use of “myself” and “yourself” when “me”/“I” or “you” would do the trick.
― michaellambert, Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:09 PM (one week ago) Bookmark
no no no no no no no no no
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 June 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link
the most common examples of such usage is due to the use of reflexive pronouns nominatively in irish gaelic (and maybe scottish gaelic, I'm not 100% sure, though they do use reflexive pronouns for emphasis sometimes in scottish gaelic) and that influence on the lovely hebridean and scots english tongues
https://www.catholic.org/files/images/saints/419.jpg
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 June 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link
sorry, hibernian, hebridean and scots english tongues was what i meant to write there
― VAR me to the end of yawn (jim in vancouver), Friday, 28 June 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
jim its ok ourselves got it earlier jist now
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Friday, 28 June 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
who's the spaceman
― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Cloistered
― maffew12, Friday, 28 June 2019 18:18 (five years ago) link
'a word in edgeways/edgewise'
― meaulnes, Monday, 1 July 2019 14:51 (five years ago) link
The influence of Celtic languages on English is a fascinating topic! On top of reflexive pronouns, you have the use of the continuous present for simple present (describing present actions by saying "I'm working" vs "I work") likely comes from Celtic, as does our preference for tag questions and meaningless do (saying "do you have a pet?" instead of "have you a pet?").
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:29 (five years ago) link
No one except the very posh says "have you a pet?" though. For some reason brevity doesn't win and people prefer to say "have you got a pet?".
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link
Sorry, I misread your point. You're right: I'm as likely to say "do you have a pet?" as "have you got a pet?" though with the former I'd probably be stressing the "you" or "have" depending on context.
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
does one pet
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:54 (five years ago) link
That is an elegant solution
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link
"Do ye huv a pet, yersel, big yin?"
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
"Strongman" hey journos have you ever thought about NOT encouraging its use?
― nashwan, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
"Hunk" is an acceptable alternative
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
Yeah, prior to the Celtic influence it *was* normal (or rather, unmarked) in English to say "have you an X?" because the "do you have an X?" construction didn't exist in English. It's still intelligible to English speakers but is very strongly marked as either archaic or posh.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
this is funny:
"I GOT on Horseback within ten Minutes after I received your Letter. When I GOT to Canterbury I GOT a Chaise for Town. But I GOT wet through before I GOT to Canterbury, and I HAVE GOT such a Cold as I shall not be able to GET rid of in a Hurry. I GOT to the Treasury about Noon, but first of all I GOT shaved and drest. I soon GOT into the Secret of GETTING a Memorial before the Board, but I could not GET an Answer then, however I GOT Intelligence from the Messenger that I should most likely GET one the next Morning. As soon as I GOT back to my Inn, I GOT my Supper, and GOT to Bed, it was not long before I GOT to Sleep. When I GOT up in the Morning, I GOT my Breakfast, and then GOT myself drest, that I might GET out in Time to GET an Answer to my Memorial. As soon as I GOT it, I GOT into the Chaise, and GOT to Canterbury by three: and about Tea Time, I GOT Home. I HAVE GOT No thing particular for you, and so Adieu." [Philip Withers, "Aristarchus, or the Principles of Composition," London, 1789, illustrating the widespread use of the verb in Modern English]
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
prior to the Celtic influence...
iow, chalk it up to imperialist blowback
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
Not sure I buy this 'Celtic influence' argument tbh. Sure, it's there in the West of Scotland but I'm not convinced it's even there in the East of Scotland, let alone the Anglosphere at large.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
The linguistic argument is that no parallel construction exists in other Germanic languages (or even Romance) but is very much present in Celtic languages. So you have to consider what is more likely: it arose spontaneously in English but no other languages in the Germanic family, or it is a result of exposure to and transference from Celtic languages. The former is rare, the latter is very common.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
have you a drink
will you have a drink
do you take a drink
are you having a drink
drink, pet?
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
this is good stuff f. hazel btw will you take yr own thread just now
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:39 (five years ago) link
I blame the Welsh, in that case.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:40 (five years ago) link
would endorse xp
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link
Likewise!
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
Is it that you have a pet? mainly Fr.
― Alba, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link
i blame the picts
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link
does one pict
the rolling linguistic thread tends to sink and vanish so I go where the action is
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
its where you d'be
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link
Have you the time
To listen to me whine
I think if "do" is "meaningless" then so are formulations like the French "est-ce que..." they are readying words that signal "hey I am about to ask you a question, listen up."
Is it the case that you have a pet?
― Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
ah stop stop or ill have to go and read some flann o brian
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:21 (five years ago) link
Ok everyone stop saying “timeline”― omar little, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 7:31 AM (one year ago)
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:29 (five years ago) link
Don't read too much into that use of "meaningless", it is just a way of saying they are syntactically necessary but semantically empty.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link
please start a thread!
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
xxxp do you even lift
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
F Hazel isn’t the type for that, too humble 💕
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 July 2019 23:08 (five years ago) link
"published thought leader"
how does anyone put that in their bio (or allow someone to put it in their bio) without wanting to die, honestly
(...this is the point in the post where I realise that not finishing a rhetorical question with a "?" is a usage that will annoy the shit out of many, but using one is perhaps now also in that category)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:20 (five years ago) link
i think we are well on the way to eliminating the question mark?
― damarraghcas.jpg (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:21 (five years ago) link
then that "do" marker mentioned upthread will be even more useful!
(that was an interesting discussion, thank you and sorry that I barged in here for some random bristling at the "entrepreneur" "disruptor" "curious! I am very intelligent" crowd instead)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 09:30 (five years ago) link
'Besties'
― frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 10:08 (five years ago) link
'janky'
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 July 2019 07:43 (five years ago) link
Besties OTM, never heard of janky until imago used it to describe Black Midi the other day on ILM.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:19 (five years ago) link
It's ubiquitous in the video game community. Every non-AAA game is described as 'janky'.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:21 (five years ago) link