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hmmm interesting. England's relationship to pop metal is sort of interesting to me, because it's completely absent from any narrative I've seen about the 80s music scene there, yet I presume there were arenas full of people that were going to see Def Leppard and Bon Jovi

Pop metal has generally done OK in the UK, I think? Bon Jovi were massive and Def Leppard are British, but, when I think about it, American hard rock bands have never done particularly well in the UK. I'm not sure American rock in general was ever been that popular.

was ever that popular ffs. Cue tons of examples proving otherwise.

KISS did quite well in the eighties

whenever i've noted that lep and lange's pyromania fits right alongside ztt's frankie i've had pushback from uk pop and nu-pop gatekeepers but i'm not going to stop saying it

(KISS weren't especially big in the UK i wouldn't say)

kind of interesting
so mid 80s, Crue is playing arenas ontge Theater of Pain tour here, two nights at Hammersmith assuming sold out, so I guess maybe 10K total for 2 dates....GnR seemed to be playing similar sized places

still 2 nights at Hammersmith for Crue in 85/86....could the Smiths have done more?

looks like by the end of the era it's caught up with the world, Crue and GnR in their imperial periods (Feelgood/UYI) both headline Wembley, which means for whatever the British press says there was a pretty large overlooked audience

Even Def Leppard's UK sales certifications were nowhere near what they were in the US and Canada, e.g. Hysteria was 2x platinum in the UK and 12x platinum in the US.

https://www.bpi.co.uk/brit-certified/
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=def+leppard#search_section

xps

fair but the uk is actually a bit smaller

source?

Jordan Peterson was talking about that on Rogan

for UK population stats?

Award thresholds are proportional to population. It went diamond in Canada by 1988.
https://musiccanada.com/gold-platinum/?_gp_search=def%20leppard
3xp

why does British people never want to rock?

Selling out massive venues in London has never been an indication of popularity in the UK as a whole tbh and still isn't.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/90/4d/44904d250e58549330527181505f1a38.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/90/4d/44904d250e58549330527181505f1a38.jpg

British rock and metal bands have done pretty in the UK over the years.

doubling back to say i'm stoked for brad's list, i generally think of them as an excellent poster with whom i have some taste alignment, and the songs i know from that list i definitely like! including "panama" for sure, tho it's never sounded quite as good as this one summer day in 2001 that my friend and i heard it blasting out of a convertible in downtown athens GA.

Whitesnake, Alice Cooper, ZZ Top and Aerosmith all had a bunch of uk hits in the 80s. Meat Loaf was probably way more popular here too if he counts.

dow is a quality poster

Big second to that

indeed

Karl Malone makes me smile every time he posts when I don't wanna wring his neck.

*blush* I praised him already upthread. Oh well. Still applies!

KM is a quality human and like yourself, a pillar of the ILX collective soul

https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.4485710.1561669429!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

KM roolz

And you are two, my fellow Florida project!

Back atcha homie

love that skinny motherfucker karl

DTSMFWTHVA was before dan savage learned to be catchy

don't know what DTSMFWTHVA is

dump that skinny motherfucker with the high voice already

I like dan savage

xp lol

Dump's That Skinny Motherfucker with the High Voice album

I like dan savage

i made this a few hours ago in response but had dinner guests over just before i could post it

https://i.imgur.com/Xk9avPr.jpg

in other words i'm just trying to say thank you and <3
this world is rough but you all make it better

A+++++

legend on and off the court

As are you, ums.

aw jeez albert thank you :)

who's Albert?

albert, lord saucerspoon

ahhh lol I'm such an idiot! you can retract you previous statement

You get one chance on the Apollo stage son!

Narrator: "UMS's blacklisting lasted for some decades..."

A fumble of that particular variety is so gahdamn identifiable that I can't help but be charmed by it. UMS is good people. As are the others being feted rn. As well as those doing the feting. I just...I just love you buncha dopes.

NO, I JUST FINISHED CHOPPING AN ONION, IS WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY EYES.

haha Old Lunch trying to make me feel better if very indicative of your character as one of the generally kindest and thoughtful ilxors

anyway Alfred thanks for the kind words you are really smart and erudite and I usually feel somewhat dumb but I think getting checked by you online every once in a while has made me a better thinker. also don't worry I will still think of this in the middle of the night like 10 years from now

much love to all ilxors

just popping in to say that Sund4r is somoene whose posts i always enjoy. very insightful and always fun to see what you're up to on i make music.