rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

sad lol

The point of the article isn't that he won't try it, it's that a bunch of fear-mongering is going on as if Trump can merely snap his fingers on Inauguration Day and say FRAUD and boom, he's emperor for life.

It would require a grand conspiracy that neither he nor his disorganized aides, Cabinet, or any of his allies have shown any capability for being able to pull off.

And the problem with this fear-mongering is I'm already seeing people using this as an excuse not to vote - "Well I hate Biden, and Trump is obviously not going to give up the White House even if he loses, so what's the point".

But Trump hasn't shown much in the way of balls when it comes to lawbreaking. Yeah, he's violated some by having his White House counsel come up with crazy interpretations of the law, knowing it will get tied up in court challenges, but even then, they've complied with injunctions against these actions.

And there have been way more instances where he threatened to do illegal things and backed off because he either knew he couldn't and was posturing, or his aides told him he couldn't. He is still an autocratic fascist wannabe that has managed to injure the rule of law, used the Attorney General as his own personal lawyer, destroyed the independence of the Judiciary branch, and other heinous things, but he hasn't managed to pull off a Viktor Orban styled soft autocracy where he has enemy press shut down entirely, has opponents jailed, or has his ruling party pass new laws that make it easier for Fidesz to ever lose control.

Trump is too inept to do those things, and look, maybe his armed redneck base wants to uprise if he l
loses, but look how many of them showed up to protests with inert rocket launchers and wooden guns.

Scary shit might happen, but getting an ulcer worrying about it isn't my jam. We can take to the streets too.

it doesn't require a grand conspiracy. the vox article upthread presents one plausible scenario:

Imagine that it’s November 3, 2020, and Joe Biden has just been declared the winner of the presidential election by all the major networks except for Fox News. It was a close, bitter race, but Biden appears to have won with just over 280 electoral votes.

Because Election Day took place in the middle of a second wave of coronavirus infections, turnout was historically low and a huge number of votes were cast via absentee ballot. While Biden is the presumptive winner, the electoral process was bumpy, with thousands of mail-in votes in closely fought states still waiting to be counted. Trump, naturally, refuses to concede and spends election night tweeting about how “fraudulent” the vote was.

We knew this would be coming; he’s been previewing this kind of response for a while now.

One day goes by, then a few more, and a month later Trump is still contesting the outcome, calling it “rigged” or a “Deep State plot” or whatever. Republicans, for the most part, are falling in line behind Trump. From that point forward, we’re officially in a constitutional crisis.

and there's proud boys walking the streets of chicago with baseball bats, "protecting" the streets, with the chicago police standing right there as willing partners.

my takeaway from knowing all that is possible is just a stronger conviction that we need to absolutely obliterate trump in november so that the actual result of the election can't be disputed in a way that's taken seriously

oooh the proud boys I'm scared

we’re officially in a constitutional crisis.

but think of all the strongly worded letters from democrats we'll be alerted to thanks to cnn and the new york times

While I don't think you need to be scared of them, I think it's legit scary that the CPD is cozying up with them and implicitly supporting their actions.
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Neanderthal otm

Obv that's not good and should be dealt with, but barely >50% of CPD is white. What's the % of those that are white power racists?

great response to white supremacy in the streets with violent weapons with cops, "oooooh, i'm scared"

what would you say to someone who IS scared? in the video clips i'm seeing, people seem to be scared.

way to mock whoever is frightened up something that is real

way to respond to intimidation by being intimidated

granny dainger:

last night, in bridgeport, on the south side, two people were leaving a protest when they were cornered by 7 proud boys. they tried to turn to the police for help but they didn't do anything. at all. they ended up escaping, but lost all their shit, and their tires were slashed

"ooooh, i'm scared"

for the millionth time on ilx in the last few days

FUCK YOU

my partner is out there in the middle of the night helping out there

FUCK YOU, UNHELPFUL PIECE OF SHIT

anybody else want to be an unhelpful piece of shit in public today?

being scared doesn't help anything. that's exactly the reaction they want.

Not belittling fears, but...back upthread to that Vox article, it doesn't really give specifics as to how this consolidation of power is supposed to happen. The Republicans all "fall in line"? What does that mean? Every Republican state official in charge of certifying state results will refuse to do so, or instruct to electors to be faithless electors?

Someone will file a lawsuit challenging the election results, not demanding a new election, but arguing Trump won, or that it's unclear so he should retain power, and Roberts's court somehow hears the case and rules in his favor?

Articles like Vox seem to assume all that's required for him to keep his office is that he says "hell no, i won't go", and by virtue of enough Republican politicians saying "we agree", boom, he keeps his job.

There would have to be several intricate layers of deception. Congress can't just say ELECTION INVALID. And even if they somehow had any control over election results, Dems have the House.

do me a favor, granny dainger:

get out there and kick some proud boy ass. i mean it. get out there and show those fuckers who is boss

Xpost It also mentions Trump refusing to concede, and concession isn't legally required. Roy Moore never conceded in Alabama, Doug Jones was still certified. It's just a formality.

everyone, look out on the streets tonight: granny dainger isn't afraid of proud boys with baseball bats and the police, because that's just what they want. so they're going go kick some proud boy ass tonight. thanks for standing up for us!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not scared of anyone and have the scars to prove it, so fuck off

Can we not do this, GD

I am definitely not "not afraid" of far-right wing hate groups or the rest of the country that's armed to the teeth. I may not be worried about Trump refusing to leave office or shit that could happen 6 months from now, but i am afraid of the lunatic violent right wing kooks that are in the street right now, and the cops that let them slide cos "lol libs"

Good, get out there and take care of business rambo

woah i didn't realize cottonwood arizona was like a wesley snipes movie

granny come on, you're perennially worried that trail runners are breaking their ankles i don't think you're a black belt

Articles like Vox seem to assume all that's required for him to keep his office is that he says "hell no, i won't go", and by virtue of enough Republican politicians saying "we agree", boom, he keeps his job.

Lol, someone was born after Nov. 2000. Enough Republicans = 5 very specific ones if things are close enough.

We need Biden to win convincingly so that even if there are 1-2 close/disputed races, everyone can shrug and say it wouldn't make a difference. Plus, I just want to see Trump emasculated.

whats gonna suck is the massively increased # of mail in ballots delaying the results for several days

except that they will actually get counted for once?

Lol, someone was born after Nov. 2000. Enough Republicans = 5 very specific ones if things are close enough.

We need Biden to win convincingly so that even if there are 1-2 close/disputed races, everyone can shrug and say it wouldn't make a difference. Plus, I just want to see Trump emasculated.

― Night of the Living Crustheads (PBKR), Thursday, June 4, 2020 5:26 PM bookmarkflaglink

I'm 39, motherfucker, and I live in Florida. You think I don't remember that election?

whats gonna suck is the massively increased # of mail in ballots delaying the results for several days

Yeah, I'm dreading the thought of the night of November 8, 2016 dragging out for a week instead.

It's perfectly reasonable and rational to fear armed men who roam the streets and attack unarmed people with impunity while the police look the other way. That's sort of the definition of the kind of thing a normal person fears.

it's not about what white men think, though. it doesn't matter how scared i am or you are about the proud boys. they're not targeting me. so when people ARE scared, and it's the very people they're targeting, it's more than appropriate to take them seriously - it is necessary. it's the least we can do, to take at least listen and take it seriously. actually, the least we can do is mock the concern entirely and advise scared, targeted people to fight back, without being right there next to them to back up words with actions

that's what's pissing me off. missing the forest for the trees, a life

Besides, that is very different than what is being described. SCOTUS didn't unilaterally step in and overturn election results. They ruled on a recount in one state.

Gore lost Florida on the initial count and the state-mandated recount (largely because of two counties that didn't complete their recount on time, which meant going with their original results). He tried to contest the results, originally got the Florida Supreme Court to grant a recount of undervotes, before SCOTUS overruled the lower court and sent it back to them mere hours before the deadline.

That's a fairly far cry from Trump going I LOST BUT I THINK A LOT OF ILLEGAL PEOPLE VOTED SO I SHOULD BE PRESIDENT, and SCOTUS ruling "ok, yr still President". They couldn't do that if they wanted to. There isn't any framework for it.

But if there's a dispute in a specific State and a candidate is contesting a result, yeah, they can rule on the legal ramifications of a State Supreme Court ordered recount.

Xxxxposts

Who are we arguing with at this point? GD stopped posting and I said above I am scared of these hate groups (well ok, I said not "not afraid", which is the same thing).

I am afraid of people in the street that yell "hey" at me, much less armed hate groups

I think there's a difference between "fear" and being terrified, fwiw. Fear is an appropriate response to something dangerous. Being terrified is what happens when you are completely powerless against the dangerous thing. I don't think we should believe we are completely powerless at this point.

xpost i don't know, not with you though! i think it's mainly because i mentioned the proud boys stuff yesterday (not on ilx), that same incident, and got a very similar, dismissive reaction. from a white guy, of course. so mainly i'm here yelling at clouds now

Yeah i think fear of the Proud Boys is nothing to make light of for sure!

Thinking that two people who are confronted with seven baseball bat wielding people, surrounding and threatening them, won't be "scared" because they can simply decide not to feel fear is beyond ridiculous.

thanks! i needed to hear that, even though it seemed obvious. sometimes i feel like i am losing my mind

Sorry Neanderthal, just meant it as gentle ribbing.

I'm just saying I'm not really worried about Trump in a Tony Montana scenario in the White House, I'm worried about a close election being thrown to the Supreme Court.

it's ok, was exhausted after a long day of training. sorry for being mr blunt force :/

We're good.

"Well I hate Biden, and Trump is obviously not going to give up the White House even if he loses, so what's the point".

is the second part here really a thing? People are saying they won't vote because they don't expect Trump to leave if he loses? This is the first I'm hearing this.

This thread is in essence a lot of white male writhing.