Is this anti-semitism?

will it shock you to hear that the black cube of Saturn conspiracy theory bullshit is both anti-semitic and anti-muslim?

Tbf they don't always go hand in hand. See, for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonné_M%27bala_M%27bala

(Link needs to be copied and pasted into the address bar, obv.)

yes I'm aware there are people who are anti-semitic and not anti-muslim

Sorry, I guess I meant to say that while I'm not exactly shocked I felt like the question needed to be asked anyway. As it stands, it's a double whammy of hateful idiocy.

the saturn cube thing is satanic NWO, reptilian etc. and symbols that are black cubes such as the qabaa and tefillin are purported to be worshipping this satanic force

didn't even think of the tefillin connection

https://theoutline.com/post/2382/the-sadness-of-saturn?zd=1&zi=eu2dhsh6

I am sad the outline got eaten by Bustle

the electrifying wide receiver jerry jeudy wears a bejeweled star of david pendant because "people sometimes call me jew"
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28781976/wr-jerry-jeudy-says-meant-no-disrespect-wearing-star-david-pendant

I'm gonna say that is not anti-semitism

i pretty much agree! just dumb!

not offensive to me, in fact I think that's kind of cool

Yeah, I don't find that offensive, it's kind of charming.

"When outspoken Christian and All-Star third baseman Washington Parayid of the Yankees is asked why he draws a Star of David with his bat in the sand of the on-deck circle, he says it is because 'some of the guys call me Yid.'"

Maybe just bc it's not too common for people to appropriate Jewish stuff to be cool

Yeah, that's a good explanation of why I found it sort of charming.

Curious to hear the opinion of Jewish ILXors on this currently unfolding ukpol debacle:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/25/keir-starmer-sacks-rebecca-long-bailey-from-shadow-cabinet

Keir Starmer has sacked Rebecca Long-Bailey as shadow education secretary after she tweeted praise for an interview in which the actor Maxine Peake said the US police tactic of kneeling on someone’s neck was taught by the Israeli secret service.

…

Long-Bailey had tweeted: “Maxine Peake is an absolute diamond,” linking to an interview with the Independent in which the actor said the practice of kneeling on a person’s neck – which led to the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis – was “learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services”. Israel denies this.

Some minimal context: Rebecca Long-Bailey is Jeremy Corbyn's protégé and she lost this year's Labour Party leadership election to Keir Starmer.

how often are mossad giving seminars to the police departments of second-tier US cities

on the exotic tactic of kneeling on a guy's head

Yes the "Israel invented police brutality" meme. Definitely no police brutality before 1948.

also why did he not house-clean her when he took office anyway

my opinion is that the hunger to link israel to US police brutality is pretty telling of the speaker's interests + motivations. i read one writer reply to this claim that the US didn't need to go to Israel to learn how to kill black ppl.

You may wish to avoid the ukpol threads even more than usual, then.

the police learned it from sacha baron cohen iirc

Peake said she was wrong fwiw

I mean you should certainly never approvingly retweet something you haven't read, especially if you're a high-ranking government official

it's a long interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/maxine-peake-interview-labour-corbyn-keir-starmer-black-lives-matter-a9583206.html

If you're a politician and you're going to tweet your approval it would be a good idea to read the whole thing down to each semi-colon and comma.

especially if, as I assume, your boss has a team of people dedicated to reviewing your public statements for reasons to fire you

And in as explosive a context as this one.

Yes, on both counts.

polish sensitivity about complicity in the holocaust is a really big thing involved legislation a year or so ago that made a minor imbroglio w/ the israeli gov. many years ago i wrote about a comic book that took place in sobibor and made the terrible mistake of calling it a polish death camp. i knew of course that it was polish in that it was in poland and not that the polish people ran it but there was an enormous tumult w/ lots of angry letters and thread discussions on polish language forums. it does seem pathological to some extent even putting aside what we know (like that many polish ppl were collaborators) bc how many americans could tell you anything about poland and ww2 really. sorta a non-issue unless it's gnawing at you.

I will admit a huge failure on my part here— my mom was born in a German DMZ, her parents were in Nazi work camps in Poland, and she is one of these people who insists on "clearing Poland's good name" and that "the Jews were treated great in pre-war Poland, why were there so many there!" etc etc.

I made the mistake of arguing with her about this at a dinner at a Vietnamese restaurant, she was two glasses of wine in, and yelled at me when I called her out on her anti-Semitism, "HOW DO YOU SPELL BETRAYAL? ANSWER ME"

I walked out of the restaurant and didn't speak to her for a while, but because of my health issues last year and some other things, I haven't brought it up again...though I have sent her many articles about the homophobia endemic to Polish society (which I certainly experience when I was there fifteen years ago).

Anyway, it makes me feel fucking awful that she's swallowing this shit up.

A link is being made between two nations that have hard hitting police forces. It’s most likely a factually wrong statement, but it’s not anti-semitism surely.

I don’t dare look at twitter and see how the word ‘diamond’ in this context is being reviewed though...

Oof table, that sucks :(

"i read one writer reply to this claim that the US didn't need to go to Israel to learn how to kill black ppl."

So why are they doing this?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joint-us-israel-police-and-law-enforcement-training

Well that's something that began as out of 9/11 but then used as an opportunity to share on community policing much later on.

(Btw, Peake back-tracked after it cost a Britisher opposition cabinet job but the tweet isn't very convincing, lacks detail)

Peake probably saw some bullshit on FB and repeated it undigested. she sounds way too confident in that interview

I only know of her because of her engagement in politics (I saw a thing she was on but had to go on wiki to check). I think it's more that she does acting for a job and isn't used to framing things in a proper way.

A link is being made between two nations that have hard hitting police forces. It’s most likely a factually wrong statement, but it’s not anti-semitism surely.

It definitely is. It's zionist conspiracy talk. It doesn't come in a vaccuum, it's part of a larger meme out there that Israel trains US police to be brutal.

(nb: the original interview now features a correction stating that the newspaper independently confirmed that it was false that minneapolis police learned this from Israeli police/mossad/whatever)

On the other hand, Israeli military/self-defense et al. is constantly lofted up as the gold standard of military/self-defense training. Krav Maga is kind of the go-to martial art for people who really want to kick someone's ass and/or tone their abs or whatever. Then there's all the Black Cube bullshit. I don't think people need to turn to Israel to learn how to be brutal, but ... some people do turn to Israel for this shit. I mean, I'm not anti-semitic, but I know what these things are, because their reputation precedes them.

Black Cube? Is that different from the conspiracy theory upthread?

is it anti-semitism to come out and say that krav is fine as combatives go but mostly lol

hard to find any article that's neutral and informative about the Israeli training programs, this one was interesting: https://www.revealnews.org/article-legacy/us-police-get-antiterror-training-in-israel-on-privately-funded-trips/

I don't know anything about that Black Cube, really. This one is the Israeli private intelligence agency:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cube

xpost I have no idea if krav is any good, I just know it is fashionable, and "it's Israeli" is kind of its selling point.

There is no question that police from US cities have done Israeli trainings, trips, etc. The crossover into antisemitism happens when it becomes about Israel as the root or source of police brutality, as though there is some kind of zionist agenda to make police kill black people, rather than a preexisting racist police system in the US that is merely seeking to learn techniques from another racist police force.

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