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― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 17 July 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
welp
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 July 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
this whole situation seems extremely not good and kind of fascist
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
i love our governor, but yesterday she dismissed what's going on here as a "campaign stunt". i don't like that. i don't think "campaign stunt" is an appropriate descriptor for kidnapping civilians off the streets into unmarked vehicles.
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
so fucked up, ofc Ted Wheeler's voicemail box is full, grrrrr
― sleeve, Friday, 17 July 2020 19:26 (four years ago) link
As unmarked feds snatch protesters off the streets in Portland, memo leaked to me shows they'll be deployed indefinitely and in undisclosed locations, with drones "on standby to assist as needed":https://t.co/dIrNSlbM6B pic.twitter.com/LR4COtuvGs— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) July 17, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 18 July 2020 13:01 (four years ago) link
The militarization of policing continues apace, along with the use of 'School of the Americas' counter-insurgency techniques to quash public demands for the redress of grievances. iow, another giant step toward turning the USA into Guatemala or El Salvador.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 18 July 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
So "Naked Athena"...
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
word is that the person was NBPOC, it says a lot about how whiteness is assumed by people imo
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
post from FOAF:
"For white folx applauding the images and video of a naked protestor in Portland that causes cops to retreat momentarily, I wanted you to know that a lot of BIPOC folx are not feeling great about how this action is being focused on and applauded, particularly as if this is a white woman and as if it’s revolutionary. Please do not believe this person invented this idea. African women have done this as a form of protest (link in the comments).
UPDATE: I think I need to post for clarity, I am not suggesting this person should not protest this way or that this is not a version of weaponizing privilege with the intention to help. I am sharing thoughts of Black folx in BIPOC groups I’m in because I think white folx and NBPOC like me need to consider these perspectives. I don’t know that the naked protestor is white or that they are a woman TBH (I’ve been informed the person is NBPOC by a few folx). I was not there, I don’t know what happened post these images.
The issue is how the images and action are being shared and applauded by white folx in a way to center whiteness, white feminism and the martyrdom of white women. Those folx seem to be reading the person as a white woman, calling her “Athena” and “Lady Godiva” and hash tagging ‘pussypower.’ That is the problematic behavior I am trying to discuss. The shift of the focus from Black folx to white women or NBPOC women and the lack of open understanding about the privileges at work. The second image was shared in one of the BIPOC groups I’m in online. I believe it’s a response to the first image (and others like it) posted by white women."
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
Is there a source on NBPOC? I've seen the same claimed but didn't see a source
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
other than that post (who is a real person that I have friends in common with), that's all I got atm
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
Thanks that's still helpful!
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link
i applaud the aplomb with which the FOAF post roasts this deplorable problematic applauding, but i can't not help but wonder if 'folx' ought not be incorporated into BIPOC & NBPOC as output BIFOC & NBFOC to really stick it to those WASPy AFAB TERFs
― the burrito that defined a generation, Sunday, 19 July 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
fortunately, nobody cares what you think
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 July 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
that's colder than the coffee at Shari's
― the burrito that defined a generation, Sunday, 19 July 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
lol, ok maybe you *have* been to Portland
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 July 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
had a kimchee omelette at the Cameo Cafe on Sandy last summer. I love occupied chinook land and its people, forgive me my obnoxious intrusion into this ontological exposition
― the burrito that defined a generation, Sunday, 19 July 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
Are those all streaming services?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 19 July 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link
good article
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2020/07/20/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-battle-of-portland/
― sleeve, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:16 (four years ago) link
it's really frustrating to live here right now. really frustrating.
everything is happening on twitter and i don't read twitter because it's not a good environment for me, a healthy environment for me, because you go on twitter and people spend hours arguing about the naked person if they were a guy or a woman or an enby and if they were white or a poc and those are important questions to ask, important discussions to have, and i don't need to be a part of that.
in the meantime i do have questions and the question i have is what the fuck is _happening_
from what i can tell, me sitting in my home just like most of everybody else is sitting safe in our homes because while this is not ok, none of this is ok, i have other important things that i'm trying to do to the best of my ability, because my ability to be of help depends on my being able to do those things...
from what i can tell the federal government is trying to create a fucking war here
from what i can tell there were a couple dozen kids who describe themselves as "feral youths" and they turned the apple store into a george floyd monument and anybody who wants to buy an apple is just getting one online probably
and last night a couple thousand moms and dads showed up and the police, in conjunction with federal forces, tear-gassed them and smashed shit and it's probably going to be on the news today
and who's going to be there tonight, nobody, nothing is planned, nothing is organized, maybe there's some twitter hashtag i'm not aware of where this stuff is being talked about
what the protesters are doing is important and what the media is doing is important and i want to do _something_ besides staring blankly into space terrified for hours on end but there's not really anything for me to do.
i tell myself over and over that what i need to do is take care of myself but what the president is doing in portland is making it extremely difficult, and i envy those of you who are still able to function on a daily basis, not because you're ok with it, like literally nobody is, even the people who are supporting the federal troops want _something_ else to happen
because i am not only not ok, i am not safe, and i don't know how to be safe, not now, not here.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link
Kate, please do what you need to do to take care of yourself.
If you’d like to check what’s going on, groups like Popular Mobilization (PopMob) have been posting updates, the Portland Mercury has a calendar of events, and there’s a lot of stuff listed at https://www.pdx-blm-events.com/
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link
A federal judge is investigating whether the head of the Homeland Security Agency broke the law by publically posting photos taken inside a federal courthouse, which law, just like the HSA itself, was formulated to protect courthouses from terrorist attacks. It's time to bring back the facepalm.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
is that what the kids are calling it nowadays
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
People are probably going to be there tonight, if Seattle's main two weeks of police riots are any indication. If you want to join a protest, just walk down and join in - it's easy and affirming! you can pick how close or crowded you want to be - if you feel better personally or as a contributor to helping society staying home, stay home.
If you feel more equipped for marching or chanting during the daylight, kingfish's tips look good.
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link
thanks y'all, i'm feeling better about this, things are rapidly evolving as they say and my hope is that there will ultimately be a positive resolution to the situation
i'm still really pretty afraid of having my skull cracked open, still, uh, really broken and fucked up already to be honest, but the people who are down there anyway are giving me strength
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
Pretty incredible play by play of the Portland mayor entering the fray:
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler is entering the protest crowd right now. People are already confronting him. pic.twitter.com/H7uJSGYlma— Mike Baker (@ByMikeBaker) July 23, 2020
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:49 (four years ago) link
Seeing a crowd of people jeering and booing the mayor as a coward while he's being fucking tear-gassed doesn't exactly gladden my heart.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link
I assume the people booing the mayor as he's getting tear-gassed are the same people who would tear down a statue of Harriet Tubman because someone told them she had something to do with slavery.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:18 (four years ago) link
hard to think of a worse analogy tbh
― rob, Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:24 (four years ago) link
Is that a challenge? Gauntlet thrown!
I meant driven by inchoate rage is all.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:41 (four years ago) link
Like Kate, I'm not gladdened that unaccountable federal "cops" teargassed a mayor, but AIUI Wheeler is the police commissioner and his police force has made extensive use of tear gas in this and other protests, so I don't agree that their rage is "inchoate," it seems pretty specific to me.
I also think it's...off the mark to analogize Wheeler to Harriet Tubman or even a statue of her.
― rob, Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link
Oh, that wasn't my intent. I was thinking specifically of the protestors in Madison, WI, who took down a statue of an abolitionist and a monument to women's suffrage. That's the kind of inchoate rage I was referencing. If Portland's mayor has a history, then by all means, boo away. But if he's part of the problem and not the solution, then I don't know who is going to push to get the feds out of there. The AG? Governor?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:56 (four years ago) link
The frustrating thing for me is watching a national battle play out over what are properly local fucking issues. I understand why the protestors are jeering the mayor. People watching on Twitter, probably a lot of people watching on this thread, won't, and will dismiss it as the radical left eating its own.
I don't think the President and his forces are engaging in divide and conquer tactics on purpose. I'm not convinced he's smart enough for that. I don't think it matters.
I have friends overseas who don't understand why the President is still in office, who don't understand why we don't do something about it. Well, of course, it's because we have no legal recourse. And I have... well, I guess people who I considered friends, and they say that what the federal officers are doing is bad, of course, but that doesn't excuse what the protestors are doing, and they are just going to have to sit this one out, sorry.
I am way more afraid of the federal government than I am of the protestors. Way more afraid. Since I don't have recourse to the law, since the federal government does not consider itself bound by the law, my only hope is that a decisive number of people will see it the same way and that they will make their decisions, live their lives, in accordance with those beliefs.
At this point it's basically a blind hope, and I'm not very good at that.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 23 July 2020 13:59 (four years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago
Jo Ann Hardesty.
Oh, that wasn't my intent.
No worries, I figured as much. It just struck me in the moment as misguided, hence my response.
Hardesty does seem great, but I haven't lived in OR for years now (and that was Eugene anyway) so I will shut up now.
― rob, Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link
Anybody who wants more information - here, people will read it, other places, people are less likely to - this OPB article explains pretty well what the situation is here.
https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-faces-protesters-and-tear-gas-head-on/
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link
Ted Wheeler deserves the tear gas tbqh
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
yep this is about as far from "inchoate rage" as you can get
A list of demands projected on the wall above his head as he spoke concluded with a call for him to resign.
Wheeler showed no inclination to do that, and he provoked more boos each time he told questioners that he does not plan to hand over day-to-day oversight of the Portland Police Bureau to Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty as she has demanded.
is that fucking specific enough for you, Josh?
― sleeve, Thursday, 23 July 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link
An hour or so after Wheeler departed, his own Portland Police Bureau declared the event a riot and ordered people to leave downtown or face “arrest, citation or riot control agents.”
― sleeve, Thursday, 23 July 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
meh
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/federal-judge-finds-state-lacks-standing-denies-oregon-attorney-generals-motion-to-restrict-federal-police-actions.html
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 July 2020 02:12 (four years ago) link
5,000 or more downtown last night, who knows how many tonight
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 26 July 2020 05:55 (four years ago) link
interview with local journalist on the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTauwlVYMNg
― anvil, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 04:11 (four years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/politics/portland-federal-agents-leaving-protests-homeland-security/index.html
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
The feds never left. They stationed a garrison of 130 troops behind, when the original detachment was 114. The cops naturally returned to beating people and slashing tires last night over on the eastside.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:45 (four years ago) link
which federal property over there did they find to protect from chants and drums?
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:55 (four years ago) link
There’s a precinct or a sheriffs joint on E Burnside
In this video we hear a Portland Police officer discuss his desire to shoot pepper spray up a protester's ass.Is this acceptable behavior from an officer @ChiefCLovell? Do you like hearing this @tedwheeler? Should this man be allowed to stay on the force, @DAMikeSchmidt? https://t.co/pWloQ8LewY— Robert Evans (The Only Robert Evans) (@IwriteOK) August 4, 2020
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:28 (four years ago) link
absolutely excessive brutality last night
https://twitter.com/IwriteOK
― sleeve, Monday, 7 September 2020 05:12 (four years ago) link
I guess this is the Portland thread as such? Great because guess what you're all doing on April 22 -- joining us:
https://www.megaphonic.fm/live-2023
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 March 2023 20:44 (one year ago) link
ooh
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Thursday, 23 March 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link