rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

(hotornot.com breaks down in tears)

Someone made a point the other day taht without news organizations and magazine editors to filter articles/opinions of Americans we are seeing the extent of racist/stupid/unscientific ideas among the general population - in a era when anyone can have a FB page or Youtube channel

I think there's a good deal of truth to that, and also on the other end of the political specturm some people are aware they share left wing/socialistic views with a larger number of people than the media would have ever indicated.

want to hear my super pessimistic scenario about trump and facebook?

what if a fascist american president (a stretch, i know, but this is fantasy) demanded access to all of facebook's psychometric data

(of course, any good citizen with nothing to hide has nothing to fear)

oh wait, and one more thing: you find out about it on facebook, where people mostly responding to the news with "lol 2020 is the worst!"

"filter bubbles" that keep everyone polarized

I've mentioned this before but FB did once try to tag me in a photo that I was definitely in (way in the background) even though I did not know nor have any mutual friends with anyone in the foreground. thought for sure I was gonna delete it after that but its too useful for keeping up with family and such

Only reason I keep it is to promote readings and books, as well as be reminded of friend's birthdays.

I believe this might be the year I delete entirely

one time I wore a Leatherface mask and it asked me if I wanted to tag my friend V1ct0r, thinking it was him

i've barely touched FB in the last two weeks and it's been amazing

i don't even remember my facebook password

i don't even own a password

idk i think it's becoming increasingly obvious that facebook misinfo is out of control, don't know how it affects the outcome of the election other than not good

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/14/disinformation-oregon-wildfires-spreading-social-media

i don't even own a password

lol

misinfo circulating at high rates is precisely one reason I had to cut back reading social media so much.

and i barely have any of those idiots on my feed.

Same.

hell I remember people starting a panic during a hurricane in 2017 based on a rumor heard on one news network. the rumor being the hurricane had shifted and we were now getting the eye of the storm in Orlando.

it was a stupid panic to begin with because we should have been prepared for the possibility, but it didn't happen. 3 years later, there are Orlandouches insisting we got the eye of the hurricane that night even though we only got trop force winds and it went west of us.

and it was a Twitter/FB rumor that got out of hand fast

I still post to Facebook, but use the Newsfeed Eradicator Chrome extension, so I never see anything anyone posts.

killfile

don't think 538 have taken this stuff seriously before, remember them dismissing it entirely earlier in the year

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-if-trump-loses-and-wont-leave/

― 这是我的显示名称 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, September 14, 2020 8:55 AM (four hours ago)

i thought this was one of the best articles of the genre, so far

i feel like we're all seeing footage of this train wreck, months before it takes place

I have determined the one foolproof answer to the dilemmas posed by that fivethirtyeight article. Trump must die immediately after the polls close in Hawaii.

i still believe that this is all going to end with the trump gang packed into a helicopter, flying toward putin's loving arms. i'm hoping putin will just send them to siberia, in a coldblooded cruel twist, but we'll see

the 538 article was at least the first one that actually utilized plausible scenarios and had an actual understanding about how the government works.

tbh, the Dems should just do what they did when the rumors of firing Mueller started flying, just start publicly saying "Trump's gonna try and stay in office, we need a bill to prevent that" (which we don't), to where he can't possibly do something that the lamestream media wants him to do, so he defies them by leaving office when he loses.

the umair haque one, which was far more popular, was one of the worst pieces of writing I'd ever seen.

the umair haque one, which was far more popular, was one of the worst pieces of writing I'd ever seen.

Umair Haque is a singularly awful writer.

Not sure where to put this, but the people responsible for editing this wikipedia page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election - have decided in their wisdom to use these two pictures of trump and biden and... we are in the bad place.

https://i.imgur.com/EX7EQi5.png

BREAKING: In 4-3 decision, Wisconsin Supreme Court keeps the Green Party ticket off of Wisconsin's ballot.

Conservative Justice Brian Hagedorn joins the court's three liberals to form a majority.

This means clerks do not have to reprint ballots and can now mail them.

— Patrick Marley (@patrickdmarley) September 14, 2020

This decision may well cost Trump Wisconsin.

thank god, fingers crossed

Trump is in pretty big trouble here anyway, but yeah every little bit helps. it's so much better for everyone if this election is not particularly close

we are in the bad place

The Trump one is an "official portrait" and therefore a choice which cannot be criticized as unfair to him. The Biden photo is from 2013, mirrors the Trump portrait in terms of composition and is relatively flattering, so it too cannot be criticized as unfair. This is a common type of editorial neutrality. Not sure of your point, really.

both pictures are flattering, yes, but they look almost identical to each-other, it's like the picture of the Korean models but with American presidents

they're just the political equivalent of high school yearbook senior portraits from the early 1960s, which is strangely apt, considering.

They also both look like John Carpenter needed to shoot a presidential portrait for They Live

Umair Haque is a singularly awful writer.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, September 14, 2020 4:31 PM bookmarkflaglink

totally, I keep telling my peeps to stop sharing their shit asap

This decision may well cost Trump Wisconsin.

I mean maybe but I would not have expected the Greens to clear 1% in Wisconsin this year at any rate, and they probably draw off more non-voters than people who would otherwise vote for a Democrat.

Delaying mail in ballots was a bigger issue there I think.

Definitely, and that was presumably the plan behind waiting until the last possible moment to file suit instead of filing right away when the election commission ruled.

We'll see what happens down the stretch, but Biden's Hispanic problem looks very real. Looking at pre-election polling from 2016 and now, it seems Biden's ~10 pts off the Clinton pace among Hispanics in FL and nationally. https://t.co/GWmMOsnhrY

— (((Harry Enten))) (@ForecasterEnten) September 15, 2020

i know i was asking about this recently, re: poor performance with hispanic people in FL. FL seems like an especially complicated situation.

anyone have thoughts on what is driving this, elsewhere? it's baffling to me, but i am obviously underinformed

Startd listening, Karl, at the 30-min. mark. The dude interviewed by Silver is an acquaintance, a Cuban American and former MIamian:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-some-latino-voters-are-backing-trump/

I totally get why one would be wary of noted Castro copycat Joe Biden.

from the Enten story. Fascinating:

Perhaps not surprisingly, Biden's best path to the White House largely relies on winning states Trump won four years ago and where Hispanics voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. Specifically, Biden has been up by at least five points over the last two months in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Indeed, Biden can struggle with Hispanic voters and still win the election. It's, in fact, something he's doing right now. Biden is up by seven points nationally and has at least a trivial advantage in the six closest states Trump won four years ago: Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Biden is able to do so because he has countered his relative weakness with Hispanic voters by doing extremely well with White voters. Biden has cut Clinton's deficit among White voters in the pre-election polls from about 13 points in 2016 to a scant four points now.
The result is a Biden lead nationally and in the swing states because White voters make up about seven times the percentage of the electorate Hispanics do nationally and at least three times (though in some cases many more times) in the closest swing states Trump won in 2016.

thanks alfred!

That interview I linked to is even better than I thought; this is what I'd share with white friends struggling to understand the complexity of the "Hispanic vote."

Can I guess? Respectability politics, evangelical beliefs, fear of the fake bogeyman of Communism?

I don't know how you define "respectability politics" here. I'd add: fear of immigrants, fear of a wobbly economy.

Fair enough. In this case, respectability politics means the sort of talk about 'well we worked hard and came here the right way and these new people are just lazy' etc etc.

Oh, yeah! That's certainly a trope with those Cubans who came here before 2000.