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I watched that clip from the debate and I don’t think trump was ordering the proud boys to “stand by.” He followed up with a condemnation: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-proudboys/trump-says-he-condemns-all-white-supremacists-including-proud-boys-idUSKBN26N09B

This is not to excuse his other dog whistling (like all the crazy racist shit about the suburbs getting destroyed), but I think this was more of a gaffe than some kinds of racist bat signal.

DJI, Sunday, 4 October 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link

It doesn't matter what he meant. It was interpreted as one because that's how it came out. That's what happens when you're a racist idiot. Funny how his "gaffes" just happen to always be stoking violent racism and never the other way around.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 October 2020 21:17 (four years ago) link

I don’t think trump was ordering the proud boys to “stand by.”

Um, he literally said "Stand back and stand by". And even if he'd said "stand down", that is no condemnation, but assumes he is their leader and gives them instructions!

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 4 October 2020 21:36 (four years ago) link

I mean this is a general trend in journalism like when the Grammy guy said “step up” and everyone dunked on him. And it’s like, yeah, he probably didn’t mean it that way but everyone hates this asshole and are gonna take their shots when they can. It’s absolutely absurd to think Trump would say something as lucid as “stand by” but he’s a racist and sucks so everyone gets their dunks in.

*Caring* about this dissonance and being a huge *well, actually* nerd about it on TV is lame

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:23 (four years ago) link

yup

the typo doer (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link

i think it's funny what a ridiculous voice he has

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link

I'm surprised no one has dwelt on the news that he appeared on an anti-Semitic network. Taibbi sucks, has for a long time.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link

The proud boys sure took it as a sign of support.

Boring, Maryland, Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link

Given the 12D chess his followers twist themselves into on a daily basis, does that mean anything?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link

idk anything about the network so I didn't dwell on that part on the basis of one tweet, I was more focused on the self evident lameness

the typo doer (Simon H.), Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:18 (four years ago) link

I heard his show with Katie Halper from the other day earlier on today - my wife was listening to it, I guess because there was a Michael K Williams interview as part of it and she loves him - and he conceded that trump's statements in the debate were alarming, that he was encouraging intimidation at the ballot box, and that due to this the election might be more of a mess than 2000

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link

Is there a place left on Twitter that isn't people screaming at each other?

— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) October 5, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 October 2020 01:26 (four years ago) link

anyone paying enough attention over a long enough period of time loses their sense of perspective at some point. (this goes double 8f it's part of yr job description.) it'll happen to me soon enough.

the typo doer (Simon H.), Monday, 5 October 2020 01:47 (four years ago) link

I watched that clip from the debate and I don’t think trump was ordering the proud boys to “stand by.” He followed up with a condemnation: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-proudboys/trump-says-he-condemns-all-white-supremacists-including-proud-boys-idUSKBN26N09B

This is not to excuse his other dog whistling (like all the crazy racist shit about the suburbs getting destroyed), but I think this was more of a gaffe than some kinds of racist bat signal.

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That he had to be cornered into saying he condemns white supremacy full stop without having a specific group to identify is the bigger problem. He couldn't just say it that night and still can't without parsing the demand for specifics. Stand down/stand by is a mistake someone as poorly spoken as Trump could easily make. I don't deny that. But he wouldn't just say IT.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 5 October 2020 02:17 (four years ago) link

otm

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 October 2020 02:30 (four years ago) link

yes, and the question was, what impact does white supremacy, and trump’s failure to forcefully condemn it, have on the election? but taibbi couldn’t help doing his lil’ smart guy routine

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 October 2020 07:45 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Taibbi pulls his head up from the media-is-unfair-to-trump trough and looks at the election results. I'm not sure how much we should be believing any polls at this point, or trying to plan a way forward based on them, but the fact that more people voted for the fascist this year than in 2016 definitely requires more study.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/which-is-the-real-working-class-party

paywalled, so:

In an irony he is humorously ill-equipped to appreciate, Donald Trump by losing this week may have gained something for the Republican Party bureaucracy he took such pleasure in humiliating four years ago: a future.

Defying years of muddle-headed media analyses, Trump underperformed with white men, but made gains with every other demographic. Some 26 percent of his votes came from nonwhite Americans, the highest percentage for a Republican since 1960. The politician who became instantly famous — and infamous — by saying of Mexican immigrants, “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists,” performed stunningly well with Latino voters.

Exit polls, which can be unreliable, pegged his national support at 32%-35% of the Latino vote. More tellingly were results in certain counties. Starr County, Texas, the county with the highest percentage of Hispanic or Latino voters — above 95% — voted for Hillary Clinton by a 60-point margin in 2016, but gave Biden just a five point win in 2020.

Even more amazing was Trump’s performance among Black voters. The man whose 2016 message to “the blacks” was very nearly a parody of long-ago New York mayoral candidate Mario Procaccino’s pledge that “My heart is as black as yours” must have found a new way to connect. Trump doubled his support with Black women, moving from 4% in 2016 to 8%, while upping his support among Black men from 13% to 18%. Remember, this was after four years of near-constant denunciations of Trump as not just a racist, but the leader of a literal white supremacist movement:

Trump’s numbers with the LGBTQ community were a stunner also, jumping from 14% to 28%. In September, a dating app for queer men called Hornet ran a survey that showed 45% support for Trump among gay men. Ever since Trump jumped into politics, media observers have rushed to denounce any Trump-related data that conflicts with conventional wisdom, and the Hornet survey was no different. Out magazine quoted a communications professor from Cal Poly Pomona as saying, “To tout a Hornet poll as evidence of LGBTQ support for Trump is clickbaity, sloppy journalism.” Even the Hornet editor scoffed at his own poll, before it all turned out to be true in the election.

Trump even improved his standing among white women, 53% of whom were already pilloried in 2016 for voting for a man who bragged about how you “grab ‘em by the pussy, you can do anything.” Trump spent four years of being ripped for accusations of sexual misconduct, vile comments, and, let’s not forget also, infidelity! Trump as president was busted for wantonly cheating with multiple women, including porn stars who offered the press incredible, retch-inducing descriptions of the presidential tackle:

Yet even here, Trump gained, earning 55% of the white female vote. These results, juxtaposed against the contrasting media coverage, suggested the basic divide. Joe Biden earned 57% of the votes of college graduates, and cleaned up in the cities. Trump won 60% of voters in small towns and rural areas. In simple terms, Trump won with the sort of people who do not read The Washington Post or watch MSNBC, and disagreed with their myths.

Trump lost the election because of his handling of the pandemic, the top issue for 41% of voters, who chose Biden by a nearly 3-1 margin. But among people whose top concern was the economy — 28% of the electorate — Trump won an incredible 80% of the vote.

All of this points to a dramatic change. Trump may not have done much, politically, to deserve the support of Black, Latino, LGBTQ, and female voters. But the Democrats’ conspicuous refusal to address economic inequality and other class issues in a meaningful way created an opening.

Now, Trump is likely to leave the White House, but he created a coalition that some Republicans already understand would deliver massively in a non-pandemic situation. As Missouri Republican Josh Hawley put it the night of the election, “We are a working-class party now. That’s the future.”
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What happens from here is a race to see which political party can make the obvious dumb move faster. Will the Democrats, emboldened by the false high of a Biden victory, blow off the clear need to revamp their economic messaging before 2022, when they risk losing both houses of congress?

Or will the Republican opposition give away the Trump coalition just as fast, by choosing Mitch McConnell’s donor list over Hawley’s insight?

Among conservatives, there’s been at least some limited evidence of a willingness to shift to the language of economic populism, whether from pols like Hawley or in the broadcasts of Tucker Carlson, anchor of the highest-rated cable news show in America. For all of Carlson’s other issues, when was the last time you saw a special on hedge fund destruction of rural America on CNN or MSNBC?

The recent story of Democrats and blue-leaning media, meanwhile, shows an opposite narrative. The party of the probable new president just spent years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, in an all-out effort to purge working-class politics from its own ranks, and discredit it as an idea going forward. Every indicator from the just-completed election season suggests the Democrats not only will lose the fight for working-class votes, but want to lose that battle.

During the primary season last year Democrats faced a choice. Do we stay the course followed by Hillary Clinton in 2016, or throw our weight behind the anti-corporate messages of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren?

That the party couldn’t back Sanders was obvious, if only for self-preservation reasons. The Vermont Senator was a proud threat to the cushy sinecures of thousands of Beltway jobholders. During the campaign he went after boy-wonder candidate Pete Buttigieg — as close a facsimile to early-nineties Bill Clinton as the party could muster, an aw-shucks Middle-American who could talk a dog off a meat truck — by blasting Mayor Pete’s “billionaire” backers. The “CEOs of the large pharmaceutical industries, the insurance companies, and so forth” behind Buttigieg were, Sanders insisted, “precisely the problem with American politics.”

The Democratic Party as currently constructed, a Frankenstein’s monster of corporate cash and middle-class talking points, could not under any circumstances back a candidate who talked like this. That left Warren, whose candidacy was designed to bridge the gap.

Warren’s message was, at least superficially, based upon the idea that modern American capitalism was broken and inherently unfair, and Democrats needed to see this in order to survive as a political force. As a longtime bankruptcy law professor, she often spoke more authoritatively about the details of big business corruption than Sanders, who sometimes seemed disinterested in how things like mortgage-backed securities actually work. The Massachusetts Senator issued proposals like a Real Corporate Profits Tax (which taxed the profits companies reported to investors, eliminating loopholes) and an “Accountable Capitalism” act that would seek to make workers 40% of the board members at major corporations.

At the same time, Warren didn’t blast the party structure or stoke crowds with Burn-the-Rich rhetoric (nor did she walk onstage to Flogging Molly’s “Revolution,” as Sanders often did). She offered a lifeline to the current party leaders by pledging to keep them in the tent in the event of a win.

How did party leaders and pundits respond to these two differing approaches? By dumping prodigiously on both. Note that every other Democrat who surged in primary season — and nearly all of them did, for eight seconds or so — was treated to softball features and Christlike cover portraits:

Warren began surging in late summer of 2019 and finally pushed past Joe Biden in polls in October of that year. Her rise to a poll lead was met not with slavish profiles, but with multitudes of “Whither this anti-corporate bullshit?”-type features. The New York Times specialized. It’s not hard to look back and find Warren stories in the Times featuring pics of the candidate looking dolefully into the distance, as if in lawyerly contemplation of the pros and cons of Marxist revolution. In one Times piece in August of 2019, the paper noted how “Democrats worry that her uncompromising liberalism would alienate moderates in battleground states who are otherwise willing to oppose the president”:

At exactly the moment when Warren rose to the top of the polls, the Times ran a feature that unashamedly quoted the “establishment” in the headline: “Anxious Democratic Establishment Asks: ‘Is There Anyone Else?”

The paper cited the likes of David Axelrod and “Democrats who have spoken with Hillary Clinton” (!) in expressing “anxiety” about the field, which they believed lacked a “white knight” who could come in and beat Trump. They went on to propose a list of people who would calm such worries, including: billionaire Mike Bloomberg, Bain Capital private equity vampire and former Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, and Eric Holder, the longtime bank lawyer who briefly pretended to be Attorney General during a period of record unpunished Wall Street lawlessness.

In so many other ways, Warren fit what Democratic Party conventional wisdom was looking for. She was a “first,” i.e. she would have been the first demographic something (in this case, the first female president), something the Party in the post-Clinton era cherished as a selling point. She had connections to the Midwest, sharing through her Oklahoma roots a lot of the same “humble beginnings” biographical features that made Bill Clinton a star. She had been a schoolteacher and, for a time, a single mother. The only biographical negatives she would have had to deal with as a general-election candidate were her association with Harvard University, and her estimated net worth of $12 million. Of course, these were precisely the details that would have reassured the “anxious Democratic establishment.”

Warren fell off in the face of the enormous criticism last fall. Her fatal move may have come when she was at the top of her surge, waffling on whether or not she supported Medicare for All. Mainstream press made tremendous hay of it:

In Iowa and New Hampshire, Warren’s health care turn confirmed suspicions that many voters had, that she was a stalking horse for party interests, a vehicle for marketing anti-corporate rhetoric who would abandon those positions at the first hint of criticism from above. It’s not an accident that Sanders rose as Warren was hurtling downward.

By January of 2020, Sanders became the leading fundraiser of the Democratic field, raising massive sums directly from voters. A logical, sober Democratic Party, one sincerely interested in representing the interests of ordinary people, would have at least secretly rejoiced at this proof-of-concept, which in retrospect remains one of the biggest political stories of this past presidential cycle.

A political party that was genuinely torn between trying to represent business leaders and the employee class would at minimum have used Sanders and his proven fundraising ability as leverage to get corporate donors to compromise on a few key issues — single-payer health care, for instance, or an end to a few key tax loopholes.

Instead, the Democrats and their buddies at establishment press outlets doubled and tripled down on demonization of Sanders, warning that a run by him not only would re-elect Trump but “jeopardize the Democratic majority in the House,” to say nothing of the Senate.

Sanders was a flawed candidate. He was not as natural talking to ordinary people as, say, Bill Clinton was. His strength with such voters was that they didn’t think he was a phony, which went a long way, but isn’t the same as unbridled enthusiasm. In populist terms, he was closer to Bill Kuntsler than William Jennings Bryan. As someone who followed Sanders on the trail a lot over the years, I can report: he does well when wonking out over union issues with rail workers, but would tense up like a man dosed with Vecuronium if ever pushed into a megachurch or a Wrestlemania event. I can see being a Clintonite strategist and just not believing it possible that Bernie could win a general election.

Nonetheless, the party’s unprecedented emergency effort to sink Bernie’s candidacy and elevate Biden before Super Tuesday, coupled with the kneecapping of Warren, took away the establishment’s most obvious play — backing Warren as the “capitalist to my bones” alternative to the Sanders “revolution.” They could have headed into 2020 equipped with a list of 50-point plans to counter any attempt at an anti-establishment message from Trump, and set themselves up as the working person’s party for a generation.

Either Sanders or Warren might have spent the pandemic putting pressure on Trump to offer at least a temporary Medicare-for-All type program, or stronger housing/anti-eviction policies. Instead they were stuck with Biden, who’d been nominated specifically to head off policies in that direction. Democratic strategists did what they always do: they relied on conventional formulas, assuming voters would be satisfied by the appearance of regular-guy-ness on Biden’s part.

There’s ample evidence the party didn’t even know what a “regular person” was. There were so many serious analyses wondering aloud what could be done to convince Homer Simpson not to vote Trump (in the actual cartoon he chuckles at a list of Trump “transgressions” like “Called Carly Fiorina ‘Horseface’”) that it started to become clear that Bart’s donut-loving Dad was the closest thing to a Trump voter most educated people could relate to, or knew even.

Biden was just “regular” enough to win in the short term, but there was long-term damage to be done with this kind of candidate. Scranton Joe frequently betrayed the Party’s poisonous real internal thinking, especially when doing things like announcing “You ain’t Black” if you support anyone but the Democrats, or saying that “anyone who can learn to throw coal in a furnace” should be able to “learn how to program”:

Forty years ago, when Bill Clinton and the DLC decided to accept gobs of corporate cash and rave about shedding the “politics of the past” in favor of a “pro-growth” mindset, the Democrats began to redefine themselves as the party of the urban rich. The move immediately attracted the Gordon Gekkos of the world, i.e. plutocrats with pretensions to social liberalism, like Goldman, Sachs chief Bob Rubin. It worked. By 2020, nearly all of the bank CEOs would be in the blue tent, checkbooks open.

The Democrat calculation was that in gaining such donor largesse, it could survive losing some working-class support, especially since they would never lose a key piece of the actual working class in poor Black and Latino voters. They assumed that a combination of always-crappy bipartisan-approved economic policies, and the Republicans’ dependably vicious messaging on race and immigration, would guarantee those votes would stay in pocket forever.

The calculation held for decades, until now.

The 2020 election showed that the Democrats’ imperious smart-set arrogance, open belief in the idea that minorities owe them their votes, and basically undisguised hostility toward the ordinary small-town person who hasn’t “learned to code,” finally began competing with Republican tone-deafness on race as a negative factor to be weighed by working class voters, of all races.

Unless they stop lying to themselves about this, and embrace a politics that pays more than lip service to the working person, they will become what the Republicans used to be: an arm of the patrician rich, sneering at the unwashed majority and crossing fingers every election season. It’s not that Trump deserved those votes more. But he at least asked for them, and that was almost enough.

DJI, Monday, 9 November 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link

imperious smart-set arrogance, open belief in the idea that minorities owe them their votes, and basically undisguised hostility toward the ordinary small-town person who hasn’t “learned to code,”

Yep, that sure describes Joe Biden.

Fuuuuuck this asshole.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link

oe frequently betrayed the Party’s poisonous real internal thinking, especially when doing things like announcing “You ain’t Black” if you support anyone but the Democrats, or saying that “anyone who can learn to throw coal in a furnace” should be able to “learn how to program”

DJI, Monday, 9 November 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link

On ABC, Rahm Emanuel literally says a Biden White House should tell people laid off from retail stores like JC Penney to learn to code.

He actually said this. Amazing. pic.twitter.com/xlSnVi7445

— Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) November 7, 2020

first First Son with a wikifeet entry (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link

"Learning to Code" is an underrated Petty jam

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link

nobody should learn to code, it's a stupid job and if you can't get employed to do it for a government agency or university or basic research or something it's a complete waste of everyone's time

The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link

as I've said elsewhere #onethread, full employment would best be achieved by creating a massive nationwide helpdesk network, dial or text 311 wherever you are and start asking for help

The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link

train CSRs to use your backend systems and you both avoid having to build self-service portals and give lots of people jobs where they get to be genuinely helpful

The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link

aren’t all the “coders”/“programmers” in India these days anyway?

it was funny hearing this centrist dipstick on tv being all “we can just teach coding to all these food service workers that lost their jobs, it’s cool”

brimstead, Monday, 9 November 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link

oh wait rahm’a doing it too! Nice!

brimstead, Monday, 9 November 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link

Rahm Emanuel has definitely lost my vote!

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link

there's a contradiction somewhere in the ideas that Joe Biden was only elected because Trump was a vile human being and the media constantly telling us that Trump is a vile human being was not effective.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link

Yeah I don’t buy into his recent whining about the dangers of liberal media bias. I hope he ditches that crap.

DJI, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link

But I think there is something to the idea that reactionary people react poorly to being called out. Sorry I’m not being super coherent.

DJI, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link

Where does Taibbi say Biden was elected because Trump was a vile human being?

This is what I see:

Trump lost the election because of his handling of the pandemic, the top issue for 41% of voters, who chose Biden by a nearly 3-1 margin.

Part of Taibbi's point would seem to be that four years of Trump being called a vile human being every day, followed by economic devastation and a pandemic killing 230k people, the only thing that stuck was the last, because the Democratic brand is not so good (cf. Senate races).

first First Son with a wikifeet entry (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link

My Republican friends on FB love his guy and post his articles and say "see, I'm open-minded, here's an example of a liberal with some sense"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link

not buying that Trump only lost because of Covid though, since his numbers have been pretty static going back to before it hit.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link

the pendulum swings these guys make between "dems are too spineless and accommodationist" and "dems are too hard on trump and his voters" are hard to keep track of

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link

not buying that Trump only lost because of Covid though, since his numbers have been pretty static going back to before it hit.

I think a non-negligible number of people who hadn't voted previously came out to vote against him because he is the human embodiment of a dumpster fire

DJP, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link

It definitely didn't help him.

But it's kinda dumb because your response to ongoing emergencies is part of the job. Every President is know for at least one major incident that occurred that they either handled well or bungled, and that factors into votes.

There's no "he lost on a technicality, due to COVID", cos like...your job is literally reacting to threats to America, having a crisis to manage at some point is expected, and you'll be judged on it.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link

not so much "on a technicality" as "it is extremely easy to imagine him winning in the universe where this happened 6-12 months later instead but everything else was exactly the same" which I personally find worrisome

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link

In September, a dating app for queer men called Hornet ran a survey that showed 45% support for Trump among gay men.

solid data point

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link

COVID is illustrative, not a technicality - in the midst of a pandemic he has fucked up, with 230k dead, Trump appears to have gained ground with everyone but white men. Unless you think white men are a safe bet going forward, that should be worrisome if you'd like Democrats to get elected to any office.

first First Son with a wikifeet entry (milo z), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link

Trump lost the election because of his handling of the pandemic, the top issue for 41% of voters, who chose Biden by a nearly 3-1 margin. But among people whose top concern was the economy — 28% of the electorate — Trump won an incredible 80% of the vote.

All of this points to a dramatic change. Trump may not have done much, politically, to deserve the support of Black, Latino, LGBTQ, and female voters. But the Democrats’ conspicuous refusal to address economic inequality and other class issues in a meaningful way created an opening.

not to take away from the 2nd point here, because Trump's improved support from Black, Latino, LGBTQ, and female voters does need to be understood! it's worrying! but to play mind-reader here for a second, this data point - among people whose top concern was the economy — 28% of the electorate — Trump won an incredible 80% of the vote -- i reeaaally wonder if in 2020 saying "the economy" is the top concern is, for a lot of folks, a way of saying, "the economy matters way more than the so-called pandemic"

goole, Monday, 9 November 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link

to be on topic: idk what to make of Taibbi's anti-Dem heel turn. it's not my flavor of doomerism is how i'd put it! mostly i want to see and think about him & greewald, fang, mtracey and the like much less than i do.

goole, Monday, 9 November 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link

Taibbi has always loathed the Party establishment. There's nothing new here, in fact his need to grind the same old axes is a crutch that gets in the way of his analysis at times.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link

I don't really see Taibbi as any more anti-Dem now than when he was dunking on Kerry back in '04.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link

I just don't think we equated hating Kerry with loving Bush back then.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link

dude's a real scumbag no?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:32 (four years ago) link

we've been over this iirc, honestly my best guess is that if there was real substance to those allegations he'd have gotten the boot from Rolling Stone long ago

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link

(this is where someone will point out to me the longtime sex pest RS staffers I was blissfully unaware of)

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link

Taibbi still making the 2016 blunder of assuming that voters who rate "the economy" have anything to do with "income inequality". Trump's base remains people who make over $100k, we know this, the idea that there are reachable working class voters out there defecting from D to R over income inequality issues is a fantasy

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link

if there was real substance to those allegations he'd have gotten the boot

jesus christ

a nice person (Left), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link

Taibbi still making the 2016 blunder of assuming that voters who rate "the economy" have anything to do with "income inequality".

^^^ this. It doesn't change the fact that Dems have to reckon with income inequality, most of which accelerated under Dem presidents, but it's not on Trump voters minds. "Income inequality" means 'Socialists wanna take my money.'

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 November 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link


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