Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

wondered what that final confrontation would have been like if Pike was captain

would he have yelled?

i feel like maybe. she reaaaaaaally fucked up

the trill girl

u just canceled urself

:(

i want to know whose idea it was that saru do that behind-the-back arm-swishing thing, because it is annoying and brilliant

YES

wondered what that final confrontation would have been like if Pike was captain

Saru is so soft! I guess there's no point in him pretending that he has a standard hierarchical relationship with his crew after all they've been through. When he was talking to Tilly in particular, I was thinking, what captain talks this way with an ensign? (Not complaining about it, I know it's not real life or anything, I just noticed it.) On a related note, Tilly is long overdue a promotion.

agree!

Ah now this may be where I'm at a disadvantage. If there's any assumed knowledge of other series, I'm gonna miss things, Ive not seem more than S1 of DS9.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, November 16, 2020 6:13 PM bookmarkflaglink

DS9 hardly ever gets referenced by the other series -- the Alpha Quadrant fights a war that requires a combined alliance among THREE major powers, and Voyager and the movies act like that never happened -- but the real reason to watch DS9 is because it's the best Trek.

― I want to luhbahguh babum gum (Leee), Monday, November 16, 2020 6:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

I take back what I said, definitely catch up on the entirety of DS9 to really get the self sealing stem bolts joke.

lotta weeping in this show

With Michael suddenly being proud sis to her estranged brother, I'd complain about Disco ignoring its own characterizations, but hey, that's a time-honored Trek tradition.

Enjoyed the last season but feel weirdly uncommitted to catching up this time, after the first three episodes. Missing anything?

man i loved this episode

i cant really bring much critical analysis to the table but just the way Michael’s estranged relationship with her mom was mirrored in her estrangement from Vulcan AND the Federation, it was v meaningful & i liked the way it played out. but especially on the mother daughter level, it felt v real & well-observed

i love the relationships on this show

I liked the Picard-crossover of bringing the Qowat Milat back in!

But uuugghh Burnham stop weeping so much it is not befitting of a supposed commander.

man u guys are harsh lol

People seem to like the Trill episode, #4. But I hate the b-plot on the ship.

i'm really enjoying this, and it certainly is a rebound from complaints that earlier seasons were too grimdark

booker seems mostly wasted so far, apart from getting burnham laid. (and who else is getting laid besides stamets and hugh? gene roddenberry would never approve.) best new character = grudge, although i like the admiral

also detmer's eyes are so enormous that it's distracting

Is there still a story simmering in the background re her and the episodes she kept happening? That all seems to have stopped. I thought she had nanites in her or something. Or was all that just "I am fucking broken cos I piloted a ship through a wormhole and crashlanded it on a planet"?

happening = having

gah.

yeah i thought so too but think it ended up being the PTSD that Dr Ricky offered to talk to her about

Is this the only episode where nobody shoots or punches each other or blows something up?

it felt like being punched when the vulcan woman used the phrase’a big ask’

she punched me (it felt like a big ask) 🎵

Yeah that was almost as bad as "JL" on Picard.

dont remind me >:(

never seen anyone with eyes as enormous as detmer’s. half her face is eyeball

linus must be in love, although i can’t tell if detmer and owosekun the navigator or together or what

look up fka twigs

haven’t watched this week’s yet, have they given the blonde who reacts with wild facial expressions to everything some more lines yet?

BTW did everyone else already know this, that Ryn is Tilley's partner IRL? He's not really even an actor, but a massive Trekkie and got the part thru her somehow I think?

the blonde who reacts with wild facial expressions

Isn't she the re-cast Airiam?

xp i did not know that. mostly i was struck by tilley being irl 35

so she's 35 and second in command, at least make her a lieutenant ffs

mirror universe costuming looks distractingly like a Michael Jackson video circa “Remember the Time” and I cant unsee it

sorry i am sorry

ie Dangerous World Tour concert looks not “Remember the Time” music video looks

absolutely support yeoh-centered episodes featuring crazy miror burnham but i fear this is going to ultimately suck

very much appreciate when canadian accents slip through, as with cronenberg and the barzan woman

yeah i dont hold out high hopes but i’ll enjoy the journey

so is the dude who magically appeared on that planet a Q or what?

That was my thinking!

The mirror universe play scene had a real Hamlet feel and I'm sure that wasn't a coincidence.

And Veg otm on the costuming... and lol the makeup, so much 80s new wave club eyeshadow going on there.

Michael looked like Rihanna!

Georgiou looked cool though, esp when she got that amazing headpiece

omg i loved that headpiece so much

Only Moira Rose has had better headgear this year.

I just spent the last two weeks binging this show and find it - really good fun? like, the last trek I watched end-to-end was probably Voyager and this is vastly more enjoyable - frequently I am in awe of how unapologetically silly it is and there are some audaciously unearned emotional moments but can easily forgive these in service of such a wild ride

it’s positively avant-garde how underdeveloped the bridge crew are - perhaps like the original series in that way I guess, it felt very exciting when those guys got character moments in Star Trek IV

anyway

it’s positively avant-garde how underdeveloped the bridge crew are

lol otm. absolutely no clue what those two guys' names are (or what airiam does)

the contrast between various bridge designs in various series is v. funny to me. why does the original series have like a pit? why does the next generation have wood paneling? why is disco's bridge unreasonably enormous and poorly lit?

(that said, the set/sound design etc. has been outstanding throughout)

there are some audaciously unearned emotional moments

Yes, this is well put. I mean I love this show too, but sometimes you're getting a dramatic emotional moment and thinking "but why? Theres no back story here". Burnham's whole relationship with Book for instance, she had a whole year with him we're not privy to, and sometimes "I'm just different now/I dont fit in anymore" didnt work for me I guess?

I sound like a negative nellie though - I do love this show.

seems pretty natural to me that she and booker would bang (if not wait the whole year for discovery to arrive to do so)

someone ask tuomas what grudge's thoughts on the matter are

I definitely made sure to check the captioning to see if they spelled Carl with a Q.

I kind of dreaded going back to the Mirrorverse because fascism but the episode benefited from it, I think! The characters got to have personality (SMG laid into the campiness with relish, which I'm there for) and more interesting complications than everyone being overachievers who don't like to ask for help. I wonder if the Disco writing room is suffering from a Roddenberry Rules effect that TNG struggled with early on, where they really lay the "squabbling but ultimately ride-or-die" on thick.

I thought the latest episode was okay, but I have a hard time understanding why they would do a whole two-parter "what if" just so they can solve the subplot of Georgious's illness, which doesn't seem to tie in with the other plots of this season in any way? Also, it's really hard to understand why everyone (not just Michael) seems to care about the mass murderer despot from another universe so much, including the Starfleet leader guy, since he's willing to send the most important ship in his fleet to mission that has a 5% chance of saving her?

OTOH, I do like how this season has been more and more episodic than the previous two, with no big conflict or big villain impacting every episode, so they've been able to focus on proper Trekky plots such as exploration and space politics. With both of the previous seasons, the overarching plot felt cool at first, but ultimately fell flat in the end. I guess "what caused the Burn?" is the main plot of this episode, but I appreciate that it's been more of background thing, with almost every episode having a self-contained plot in itself. So in that sense is cool that they can just do a two-part "what if" Mirror Universe story if they feel like doing one.

Also, I think it's interesting that's it not at all clear whether Discovery will ever return to its own time. At the beginning of the season I was certain it would happen in the finale, but now I'm not so sure anymore? Seems like this setting has more story potential than what can be explored in just one season, so I'm hoping they stay there. And the ship and its crew being stuck in the future would also help to resolve the continuity issues its retcons have caused for the franchise, i.e. why no one is using the mycelial network in the series set after Discovery's first two seasons (not even in Voyager, where it would've been extremely handy), why Spock's sister never visits him, etc.

I stopped watching this 5 eps ago, a two part mirror universe story focussing on Georgiou does not make me want to start up again. "Mirror, mirror" is the only good mirror universe episode solely for the lolz, that TNG never went there is a blessing. And yes Georgiou's continued interest in our universe and our characters' concern for her is a complete mystery.