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Me too, even her dancing doesn't dissuade me.

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I fancy her because she has the same maniacal grin that I have. Fancying yourself: classic or dud?

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic as long as you tickle yourself and others watch ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who do you think I am, Martin?

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

no. but you are N's long lost sister.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally in self-fancying SHOCKAH

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

So that's where my brother went. My mother always told me I had an older brother that she sent away, because she hates boys...

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

well tell yr momma N is a GROWN MANG now!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Trust me, if she gets wind of the tickle thing she'll never take him back.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok then I'll tell her and then she can send you here. i can tickle ya ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

You really want to tickle N. though, admit it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 25 May 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Seinfeld: totally classic. I watch the reruns quite regularly.
I thought this show was unsurpassed in american comedy,
until I started watching Home Movies (on Cartoon Network).

But I'm not entirely without complaint.

They truly should have found someone else to play Seinfeld. In a stellar
comedic cast he stood out as a rank amateur, often botching the
proceedings. The scripts stroke his ego shamelessly, pairing him with
an endless parade of beautiful women and sparing him the severest
discomfort. And his standup was horrible, an unintentional joke.

But he couldn't stop the show from being brilliant! Starting about
halfway through the second season, the writers were so great at
layering several absurd storylines, culminating in these chaotic
comedic orgies that can only be compared to end-of-episode
climaxes in _Fawlty Towers_. How come more sitcoms don't
have this format, instead of a boring linear string of
sometimes-funny wisecracks? Mindless jokes _Seinfeld_
decidedly IS NOT.

Thing is, the early episodes were pretty crappy - that's partly
why I think people don't like them, they got a bad taste in their
mouth early on and never gave it a second chance.

Also, the episodes are highly self-referential, so you have
to watch it from the opening credits, or half the jokes don't
make any sense whatever.

And woah, are there actually people named Shoshanna?
I know a Shoshanna and I thought that her name was a
bizzare hippie side effect.

Oh yeah, and the sight of a pimp Kramer being
arrested for assaulting a prostitute = one of the best
endings ever.

― squirl plise (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

How did I get mixed up in this?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

ps. please no one tickle me. My sister used to do it to me till I was a gibbering wreck. I can't even remember what I'd done wrong.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's cos you're TOO MUCH THE SEXY, N.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

UR sick.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shoshanna is the Hebrew form of Susannah.

― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am sick. You're totally right. That doesn't take away the fact that you're my long lost brother and that Julio wants to tickle you, N.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 02:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is no better modern illustration of the timelessness of the ancient story of the Emperor's New Clothes than the fact that Seinfeld was a success.

D-U-D garbage!!!!

― Fred Nerk, Monday, 26 May 2003 02:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

wow

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 26 May 2003 05:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

SEINFELD ROXX U R ALL GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, what is UP with all the Seinfeld hate??!!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 26 May 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, I mean it was a sitcom, I thought it was pretty funny, but we are talking about a sitcom here. there are no big threads about according to jim.

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

YET!

(ominous music)

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

''You really want to tickle N. though, admit it.''

Ally with my right hand. N with my left.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

ally with my right hand 'n' with my left.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

rjg!?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

?????????

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Me before reading this thread: :)
Me after reading this thread: :(

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 26 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

richard- you're sick.

the laughter has been sucked out of this thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

gimme a break.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wait, RJG wants to tickle me now too? What is going on here?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Seriously, what is UP with all the Seinfeld hate??!! "

I don't know, but there is something seriously wrong with anyone who can't see the utter genius of Seinfeld.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate when people say things like that. Taste is taste. I have a totally instinctive revulsion to this show, a revulsion I probably should analyze -- but that would necessitate actually watching it, and life seems too short at the moment.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I hate when people say things like that. Taste is taste."

yeah, I know.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think it's funny but i think everything's funny

(even will and grace, i lied abt that upthread so as to look cool)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha on the doc abt brit sitcoms just now they said solemnly "the last of the summer wine is unique among sitcoms"

which is true: i don't think it's funny really

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok a bit

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Last of the SW is funny and Seinfeld is funny.

Seinfeld gets criticised for its nihilism because it verges on excessive depth - for America. (The characters try to do volunteer work and fail, Elaine campaigns for equal opportunities because big breasted women are favoured over her, people turn to Judaism 'for the jokes' - the pathos of the attempt towards something that circles back into bourgeois stasis is nearly voiced. But whereas on Seinfeld minor characters suffer, on 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' Larry David is the middle class child abuser, the fake Jew, the wife beater.)

― m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 07:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ now has ALL the episodes transcribed.

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 08:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

How can anyone really vote for anything lesser than A FUCKING

GODLIKE GENIUS!

Seinfeld seriously ruined me for ALL other "sitcoms", they just all really suck in comperison.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

this will obviously interest no one but i'v got every single episode on tapes. I'm sure i'm not the only one. My giant beloved Seinfeld shelf.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

< / brag >

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I am a fancy boy."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

All you hataz are NOT SPONGEWORTHY.

― Elaine (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I sort of find the show shrill and insulting, like a Jewish/New Yorker version of blackface minstrelry. George is like the Sambo of the UWS.

Perhaps if I watched it enough and could get into the rhythms, pick up the nuances (if there are rhythms to be gotten into and nuances to be picked up) and noticed the characters interacted with but ultimately transcended such carcicature, I'd like it better.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I get this sense that people (who watch Seinfeld) are flattering themselves in this perverse and counterproductive way by imaginging themselves to *be* these grotesque caricatures, like it gives their self-involvement some kind of splendor by association. I guess in this way it is a complex mixture of self-hatred and aspiration and conforming to others' expectations and occasional transcendence of these things as "Will and Grace." That show makes me uncomfortable too, but my superficial sense is that the staging and line delivery is better in "W&G" (I don't know about the writing).

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think a couple words left out may have rendered those last two posts incoherent. Please let me know if that's the case.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

mentioning Will and Grace in a thread about Seinfeld renders everything incoherent. what is going on?

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

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Seinfeld: Classic or Dud

GODLIKE GENIUS!