Is this anti-semitism?

xp

No :)

She's a barrister who's frequently outspoken on trans issues and has made an arse of herself with holocaust comparisons.

anti-Semitism and transphobia does not seem to have put Joanna Cherry off of supporting her.

Yes, I see it's really about Joanna Cherry.

... who does have an existence outside of Twitter.

The account above seems to indicate financially too, but don’t know enough about it.

It's a trans issue that morphed into an AS issue. Worrying that Cherry seems to be one of many who profess progressiveness but are happy to turn a blind eye (or worse) to this shit.

There’s an... interesting correlation where a lot of the higher profile transphobes are also antisemites, like full-on Soros conspiracists, and as per that now banned account not above likening terfs to Jews in 40s Germany. Magdal3n B3rns (in hell) was one of these people, think on that the next time you see someone rather more mainstream praise her.

joanna cherry is a full-on transphobe, has been forever, doesn't even pretend not to be, and is one of the uk politicians most committed to destroying trans rights. not surprising that she'd turn a blind eye to blatant anti-semitism like that when there's anti-semitic conspiracy shit is pretty common from transphobes these days as gyac mentioned

my guess is the financial support is that cherry donated to phillimore's crowd funder for her legal antics (attempting to sue the police because someone reported her tweets as hate speech to them)

these people believe in "degeneracy" and many have specifically denied that nazis targeted trans and queer people

Fear of a 'rootless' gender.

Relevant:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Geschlecht#German

this seems fairly sound and relevant
https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4188-the-eradication-of-talmudic-abstractions-anti-semitism-transmisogyny-and-the-national-socialist-project

I'm not sure about the almost exclusive focus on the value-form although there is clearly something to the postonean analysis of antisemitism even if it's not the whole picture (but I need to read the referenced essay "the logic of gender")

Since this is the "is this anti-semitism" thread, I would say that the S Phillimore tweets quoted above are (to my Jewish eye) clearly driven by anti-trans fervor, not anti-Semitism. "Can't it be both?" -- sure, that exists, to me that would look like "Soros and the globalists are funding trans activism to undermine British womanhood. This just feels like the usual "my own personal thing I'm mad about is best thought of as the contemporary version of the Holocaust," which fucking EVERYBODY does, including plenty of Jews, I'm not saying this stuff doesn't grate on me but anti-Semitism is too strong a word for it.

In particular it's absurdly tendentious to characterize that tweet, whatever the heck it was about, as "comparing Jewish people to dogs"

xp what about the ones where she’s telling a descendant of Holocaust survivors that it’s really sad they lived to contribute to a similar regime?

It's still the anti-trans fervor driving the bus

For the moment.

It's kind of a lose-lose, either that person isn't anti-Semitic but was nonetheless keenly aware they were doling out anti-Semitic stuff for the sake of ad hominem shock, or that person *is* anti-Semitic, which would explain why they went straight to that kind of rhetorical Godwin's law dead-end extremity when any number of less incendiary insults might have done. I mean, that tweet may not compare Jews to dogs, but afaict it's comparing their *dog* to *Jews* and joking that for that reason it should therefore be left behind, which seems ... worse.

So yeah, unless better knowing who that person is provides some important context, the tweets kind of fails (passes?) the "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck" test.

particularly pointless bit of hairsplitting here

that kind of "hairsplitting" is literally the explicit named purpose of this thread

any person or group that thinks or tries to raise itself above others is racist!

wtf

Another day, another xzanfar pvmic.

xps the considerable overlap between antisemitism and transphobia/homophobia/(trans/)misogyny which was under discussion makes this participar hairsplitting pointless at best

thought experiment: what if these particular bigots were Palestinian but otherwise saying the exact same things

yes

The narrative being pushed is dangerously accurate in many details, as the Frankfurt School really did want to end Western Civilization and is almost wholly comprised of Jews. This allows anti-Semites to recruit new anti-Semites *who wouldn't have otherwise been recruited*.

— James Lindsay, won't fit in your box (@ConceptualJames) February 4, 2021

Who is this person and what the heck is he talking about

I have no idea but it sounds like some kind of galaxy brain 'the Jews were the real anti-semites all along!' take and it makes me very glad I don't have a Twitter account, yet again.

intellectual dark web culture warrior, popular among the anti-woke/anti-trans crowd, spreading literal nazi judeobolshevik conspiracy theories

To stop the anti-Semitism you must first become the anti-Semitism.

apart from anything else the frankfurt school was way too reverent towards "western civilization" but this isn't actually about them is it

jacob rees-mogg and priti patel among others have also endorsed this nazi narrative with minimal outcry

intellectual dark web culture warrior, popular among the anti-woke/anti-trans crowd, spreading literal nazi judeobolshevik conspiracy theories

― Left, Friday, February 5, 2021 3:36 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This. I feel like you have to be a way too online person to get it, but if you go down the rabbit hole you'll find plenty of outright, overt antisemitism rather than dog whistles -- people who read The Culture of Critique and all that kind of stuff.

That stuff goes through multiple levels of filtration and bubbles into the "mainstream" trumpist right in disguised form. I don't know how many people are or aren't aware of the roots of it -- there's that famous quote about the southern strategy admitting it's about racism but noting that at some point with enough coded language maybe even the target audience isn't overtly aware of it. There are Jews among that crowd so clearly it's lost on some people.

you don't have to go paticularly deep

you might have to be too online to totally "get it" which is how some very mainstream conservatives and even liberals have been getting away with this. I assume the accusations of nazism sound paranoid if you're lucky enough not to recognise this bullshit

I don't think it's as lost on people as it often appears to be though, the antisemitism still works

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/31128746/massachusetts-high-school-fires-football-coach-anti-semitic-play-calls

I have zero understanding of what actually happened in this story

That makes two of us

It's so vague as to be nonsensical.

..that the words "rabbi" and "dreidel" were also used...

Ah, the evergreen passive tense: 'mistakes were made'. Who said them, and why? I expect so much more from ESPN reporting.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/massachusetts-high-school-fires-football-coach-after-team-used-anti-semitic-language-in-game-play-calls/35936348

One of the plays was named "Auschwitz".

Oh wait, it says that in the espn article too. Never mind.

Meanwhile in England, people are donning yellow stars with “no covid certificates” on them. Photos from @chloe_adlestone. pic.twitter.com/OCTtFdMFQy

— David M. Perry (@Lollardfish) April 24, 2021

stupid fucking English people

Behind the Bastards Podcast did a massive 2 part history of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion last week which was quite edutaining like. Looked back at hundreds of years of antisemitism which started off as simple oppression of the other but then took on the conspiracy theory thing of they're trying to control things.
Looked at the rise every time there was a period of turmoil. I don't remember mention of the Americas as a potential resettling ground for Jews being kicked out of post-moorish Spain which I've heard elsewhere.
But does look at awareness of the text being plagiarised from a satirical source and the given explanation as to why that didn't matter.
Very good show with guest Langston from My Momma Told Me which is a really good podcast too. About black conspiracy theories and reasons for white ones. Quite amusing.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2021/05/03/orthodox-rabbi-nj-accused-double-life-missionary-israel/4868837001/

performing brisses is pretty deep cover

stupid fucking English people

there's that footage of a German anti-vaxxer doing a speech comparing herself to Sophie Scholl so I'm afraid the brainworms are Europe-wide on this one

stupid fucking Scottish people (... I assume)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-57025065

Why is he wearing a star of David?

this was a relief honestly: https://film.avclub.com/lakeith-stanfield-apologizes-for-participating-in-clubh-1846853124

rough week