Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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One of the leading stories on the Guardian's online front page today:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/18/together-because-it-feels-good-french-man-who-goes-everywhere-with-a-pigeon

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 09:08 (four years ago)

Guardian clearly improving

willem, Friday, 18 June 2021 09:49 (four years ago)

This must have taken all of 10 minutes for JJ to knock up, wonder how much he got paid for it?

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/jun/18/from-tubular-bells-to-horses-10-of-the-best-pieces-of-album-artwork

faded seaside glamour boys (Matt #2), Friday, 18 June 2021 10:31 (four years ago)

haha, one of them isn't even an album either

disraeli grinds my gears (NickB), Friday, 18 June 2021 10:47 (four years ago)

I could put a band name over the top right hand corner of a Bruegel print quicker!

calzino, Friday, 18 June 2021 10:47 (four years ago)

Lou Reed Live? I don't think so.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 18 June 2021 11:02 (four years ago)

Christ. 10 LP covers and one isn't an LP.

"You had one job".

The article contains little text, yet still gets basic facts wrong.

And:

The cover of Animals, with its pig floating over Battersea power station against a lurid sky, defined how I imagined London.

the pinefox, Friday, 18 June 2021 11:29 (four years ago)

Welcome to Philippa Perry, who has taken over from Mariella Frostrup. I think Phiippa Perry is great. I actually preferred her graphic book 'Couch Fiction' to the couple of books of hers that I've read.

It is an interesting development. She makes a solid start in her first problem - my sex life has dropped off

There's a change of approach. Philippa's style is very much about coping and adjusting realistically to life, whereas Mariella was more of a cheerleader to get out there and live it up. Philippa's 'realism' approach can come across as slightly depressing at time, such as:

I’m afraid our bodies do reach a peak condition in youth and, as you age, you are allowed to mourn the loss of taut flesh, just as you are allowed to mourn the fact that sex is no longer a daily occurrence. But this will not dent your capacity to love and appreciate each other as much as you ever did. And, occasionally, such a body, with its bulges and aches, will also be the vehicle with which you enjoy great sex – just not as often.

Looking forward to read more over coming weeks though.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 20 June 2021 09:26 (four years ago)

Yes. I hated MF’s answers, they used to make me silently shout at the screen. And I think PP is generally very thoughtful and grounded in reality when she responds.

Madchen, Sunday, 20 June 2021 10:47 (four years ago)

Hey guess who won the Orwell prize for Journalism?

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-prizes/

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 26 June 2021 09:12 (four years ago)

I was thinking there were so many terrible Guardian writers to choose from but at least it won't be John Harris...

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 June 2021 10:35 (four years ago)

previous winners include

Suzanne Moore
Carole Cadwalladr
Fintan O'Toole
Peter Hitchens
Matthew Parris
David Aaronovitch
Polly Toynbee

from which I surmise that the criteria for the award is you need to be an overexposed fool who is wrong about nearly everything and a total dick, which is quite in the spirit of Orwell tbf.

calzino, Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:17 (four years ago)

jesus christ that list tells you everything

Take me home, Jordan Rhodes (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:30 (four years ago)

It really seems to favour opinionated columnists rather than the craft of journalism.

Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:30 (four years ago)

i only just realised this is a serious award, i'd always assumed it was some darwin awards type thing that you didn't want to get, handed out for alleged "doublethink" or what have you

Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:35 (four years ago)

The Orwell Prize.

If Hancock hangs on, we know England has turned into Animal Farm where all animals are expected to follow the Covid rules but some animals can do what the hell they like

— Lionel Barber (@lionelbarber) June 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:01 (four years ago)

whoever it was who decided to make everyone read these books at school has a lot to answer for

Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:50 (four years ago)

short and easy to draw out an essay's worth of trite allegory, same reason An Inspector Calls is still going strong

Take me home, Jordan Rhodes (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:54 (four years ago)

it's worse than harry potter references, at least people don't get to pretend they're being intellectual with those

Left, Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:55 (four years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/Ww4mPiK.png

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:35 (four years ago)

lmfbo what, is this a terf

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:41 (four years ago)

um how dare you guess that for no reason whatsoever, she has merely been ~just asking questions~ in the graun for at least six years

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/11/caitlyn-jenner-transgender-feminism-woman

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 26 June 2021 23:48 (four years ago)

You don’t have to link it

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 27 June 2021 00:09 (four years ago)

I’ll just take your word for it

Anyway I’m glad whoever this is is suffering social consequences from her former friends

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 27 June 2021 00:09 (four years ago)

I’m just an alien observer here but isn’t this the same Grauniad that harped on Corbyn’s alleged antisemitism for years? Is “just asking questions” now their editorial policy?

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 27 June 2021 01:02 (four years ago)

Just a mode of intellectual enquiry now, no matter if people get killed at least it's an interesting discussion at dinner parties.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 27 June 2021 08:13 (four years ago)

Noticed in the column Tracer screengrabbed that HF called Corbyn ‘adjacent to antisemites’ so I guess the lawyers are watching? She went on that horrible Enough is Enough demo so her actual views are more than that.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Sunday, 27 June 2021 08:44 (four years ago)

observer is even more foul than usual today. in addition to the freeman thing, there's an editorial about how trans people should be up for debate forever and suggesting otherwise, plebs, is antifeminist. plus a foghorn racist piece about batley and spen by-election.

plax (ico), Sunday, 27 June 2021 13:37 (four years ago)

Toby Helm(et)

calzino, Sunday, 27 June 2021 13:56 (four years ago)

Toby Belm, please.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Sunday, 27 June 2021 16:02 (four years ago)

Zoe Ball’s pay cut means BBC’s highest-paid star is still a man

Hmm, seems to hint it was a man before, so.. Rubbish headline.

Mark G, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 16:19 (four years ago)

Not sure about Philippa Perry's tough approach on this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/11/ask-philippa-perry-will-my-menopausal-wife-ever-want-to-have-sex-with-me-again

She wants to make questioner think more deeply, but it does come across a bit 'internet hardman'.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 11 July 2021 10:36 (four years ago)

from the intro to the reply:

There you are, living with your sexy wife and, oh dear, you don’t know if you are ever going to get a shag again. Not that you put it like that, that’s just how I read it. You are very measured in your email, showing me just how well you behave, almost as though you’re walking on egg-shells. Got me wondering whether you must walk around your wife on egg-shells, too.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 11 July 2021 10:57 (four years ago)

Yeah, thought this was a terrible response. Guy’s not blameless and needs to ask himself some questions but this just seemed like a pile on.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 11 July 2021 11:02 (four years ago)

Be hilarious if she is like this to every letter that after a while she stops ppl from writing in.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 July 2021 11:14 (four years ago)

I didn't see her reply as being particularly "tough guy", and read in her voice a much more empathetic tone than Mariella Frostrup brought to the page over the last couple of years. Also, Perry is writing as a therapist, not just a columnist, and so she's offering advice and inviting the letter-writer to examine their own behaviour and take same agency, and even suggesting practical methods in doing so. She's aiming to help them solve the issue, not just making them feel better in the moment. I mean, also I didn't read her chiding the letter-writer in the slightest.

burnt hombre (stevie), Sunday, 11 July 2021 12:54 (four years ago)

"She's aiming to help them solve the issue, not just making them feel better in the moment."

Yeah, that's what I read. I could imagine the letter writer feeling a bit "But ... but ... I've done research!"

djh, Sunday, 11 July 2021 20:04 (four years ago)

I have a particular dislike for the "Not that you put it like that, that's just how I read it" formula which anyone who has experienced microaggressions in the workplace will instantly recognise as the classic "that's just my reframing of what you said - hey! don't blame me for the reactions that your words generate in me, they're your words " excuse in being aggressive.

I'd be more reassured by the answer overall if I thought the answer was likely to help the questioner examine their behaviour and take some agency. But I'm not sure about the usefulness of the scenarios - there are at least four more things that could be going on here.. I think they're just too open-ended and speculative:
And anorexia can be the body’s way of trying to solve a problem that has not been articulated and quite often after psychological investigation that problem seems to be the patient’s lack of autonomy in their life. Of course, I do not know enough about your dynamic to say whether it was like this for your wife, I’m voicing it only as a possibility. If you became too parent-like and controlling, this might have been her body’s way of rebelling.

I don't think columnists such as Mariella do just aim to make the questioner feel better in the moment btw

Luna Schlosser, Monday, 12 July 2021 07:10 (four years ago)

I mean everything Perry wrote sounded and felt like something a professional trained therapist/counsellor with years and years of experience would say, and I didn't find that any of it read tough or "internet hardman" at all, but ymmv. Therapists/counsellors will reframe what a patient has said as a way to get them to confront the situation as they see it from a different perspective, it seems it would be a fruitful way of approaching.

I'm not saying Mariella just aimed to make the questioner feel better in the moment, but I am saying that often Mariella's columns read like she was playing internet hardman because - at least for the last couple of years - she seemed burned out and impatient and not interested in the people writing in, or quick to identify the complainant as "actually the bad person". I've enjoyed Perry's columns so far because she doesn't bring that energy, and her answers have seemed empathetic and productive.

burnt hombre (stevie), Monday, 12 July 2021 08:12 (four years ago)

Lolol

Not only will I not pay for the Guardian, this is so bad it's making me wonder whether there's a way I can steal from it pic.twitter.com/o75AoJWs0n

— jan 🇵🇸 (@janhopi) July 12, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 12 July 2021 12:20 (four years ago)

I see Philippa Perry discussed this on twitter (kudos to her for doing so). I've often wondered what constraints columnists have to work with and what goes on that we don't see.

It’s harsh, it’s speculative, and it’s the best I could do. I wrote to him personally as well where I had more space for sugar coating. He replied and appreciated my efforts. I can see he’s doing what he thinks is right but it wasn’t getting them anywhere.

— Philippa_Perry (@Philippa_Perry) July 11, 2021

Luna Schlosser, Monday, 12 July 2021 12:31 (four years ago)

She’s a pretty good egg generally (I met her years ago when I went round to interview Grayson and at the time she was consultant psychologist for Big Brother).

the thin blue lying (suzy), Monday, 12 July 2021 12:46 (four years ago)

i kinda get they're proud of hyde and crace -- they seem popular even tho i think they're both rubbish, him especially -- but is behr on the list for the same reason, or morely likely bcz he'll pout ands feel left out if mom and dad don't give him a lollipop? it's the internet so i've no doubt *someone* has linked a behr piece and called it "insightful! brilliant!" but come on lads he's a world-famous idiot

mark s, Monday, 12 July 2021 13:34 (four years ago)

any fule kno

mark s, Monday, 12 July 2021 13:35 (four years ago)

Bradshaw is a movie critic I trust less than even Commode - he's the absolute worst. He doesn't even review Sean Penn's latest turkey, he actually attempts to get invited round his yard so he can fuck him.

MoMsnet (calzino), Monday, 12 July 2021 13:57 (four years ago)

brb letting el chapo's henchmen know abt the tryst so they can take out the two of them in one go

mark s, Monday, 12 July 2021 14:00 (four years ago)

Mark S is right -- no-one likes Behr, except Hyde, Freeman, d'Ancona, et al themselves.

the pinefox, Monday, 12 July 2021 16:36 (four years ago)

Not only will I not pay for the Guardian, this is so bad it's making me wonder whether there's a way I can steal from it

that can't be real!!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 12 July 2021 16:47 (four years ago)

i trust Commode 100% thru the simple expedient of assuming the opposite of anything he says is true

Southgate Serves Imperialism (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 July 2021 16:53 (four years ago)

philippa perry seems like a terrible person sorry

dogs, Monday, 12 July 2021 16:55 (four years ago)


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