also note the "pro-choice" extremists included there, I'm sure we can all recite the many pro-choice acts of terrorism that have disrupted this fine country
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 18 June 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
remember when an anarchist violent extremist literally wasted a president, that was cool
― Left, Friday, 18 June 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link
that willful ignorance also seems to be a hallmark of U.S. presidents
presidents are, by the nature of their job, great compartmentalizers. they can spout counter-factual nonsense like that with complete sincerity and emotional conviction to an audience. in that moment they truly believe it to be true because their audience badly wants it to be true, and so, to connect with that audience, they must feel the same 'truth' with equal emotional strength and conviction.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Friday, 18 June 2021 23:23 (three years ago) link
is that good
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:03 (three years ago) link
there ain't no good guysthere ain't no bad guys
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 June 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
'good' is often a murky and malleable concept when applied to politics. it depends entirely on one's perspective and whose good is being measured.
I think presidents experience this compartmentalization as highly rewarding behavior, firstly on a practical level because it helps get them elected and grants them power, but also it's emotionally rewarding because it earns them public praise, helps them maintain popularity and secures their high social status. thus, very 'good' in their eyes.
if you want a wholly objective analysis of its goodness or badness, you will be looking it for a very long time.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 01:15 (three years ago) link
It's not good.
― DJI, Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:14 (three years ago) link
how so?
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:25 (three years ago) link
well it seems to enable passively rewriting history for one
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:27 (three years ago) link
what am I saying? nothing passive about it.
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:28 (three years ago) link
Going to register my doubt that a significant percentage of Joe Biden’s voters really feel the looming danger of Antifa and ‘pro-choice extremists.’
Biden’s actions (whether on this one or the aforementioned willful ignorance) aren’t born of strategizing about what got him elected - they’re what this fossil believes.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:31 (three years ago) link
it seems to enable passively rewriting history for one
Do presidents have sole custody of history and how it is written? No.
Is writing history their primary job? No.
If Biden had said what is undoubtedly true, which is that the USA had frequently fomented coups and interfered with elections in dozens of countries, as well as instigating wars of conquest throughout its long, criminal history, how would that have been greeted? By millions of Americans suddenly accepting this dismal fact? No.
Would it have strengthened his political purpose of painting Russian interference in US elections as something insidious, wrong, and to be strenuously objected to? No.
It seems to me that the good you have identified is tenuous at best, in that the 'good' effect on history you imply would result is beyond merely being uncertain, it is so unlikely as to be vanishing.
If you would like further contradictory rationalizations, apply below. I would hardly rate your cited 'good' as beyond a multitude of reasonable doubts.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:46 (three years ago) link
remember when liberals shrieked about how trump was destroying the concept of truth lol
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:54 (three years ago) link
lol I and p much everyone I’ve dated in the last five years are terrorists now, I guess. fun!also, as Charles Pierce pointed out, this mf was on the Church committee, he’s not just actively lying about history, he’s lying about his own experience of it, which happened on live tv
― nicole, Saturday, 19 June 2021 03:55 (three years ago) link
xp Gee. If you would like to make it a competition, as I vaguely recall being reported, Trump was cited for about 20,000 blatant untruths during his presidency. So may that those who kept track eventually gave up on attempting a thorough accounting. How about citing Biden's score since his inauguration? He'd need about 1900 more than the one we're discussing to keep up with Trump.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:02 (three years ago) link
btw, I am not in any way arguing that Biden's denial that the US has frequently interfered with elections was anything but untrue. It was so far from the truth it enters the realm of delusion. What I am arguing is that this sort of participation in the collective delusions of the US masses has an identifiable political value, and substituting the dismal truth in that situation would have had almost zero practical benefit to society.
The only viable alternative was to say nothing about US history in this regard, but he chose to surf on the delusion in order to leverage the delusion on his behalf. That is not admirable, but it is good politics. As the newspaper editor at the end of "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" says at the end, when the legend becomes fact, print the legend. The legend of US purity and benevolence is unalterable fact to tens of millions.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:17 (three years ago) link
wonder why
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:19 (three years ago) link
maybe something to do with entrenched power spreading falsehoods deliberately over decadeswho can say
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:20 (three years ago) link
I blame Joe Biden. He could fix it if he wanted to.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:20 (three years ago) link
thank you for reminding me why I stopped posting in these threads lol peace
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:41 (three years ago) link
you should run for office instead. the world needs you.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 04:52 (three years ago) link
Unless you think puppetmasters are literally putting words in Sleepy Joe’s mouth… he actually can fix this. No one makes him say stupid and absolutely false things like “the US interfere in elections? Who could imagine that, Jack?”
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 19 June 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link
I noted he had the alternative of saying nothing about that history. So we agree about that.
I was addressing the contention that Joe refraining from lying about the US history in this instance would somehow affect how history is written and generally was estimating how much measurable 'good' would have been accomplished by his saying nothing at all, or alternatively citing chapter and verse of all the US crimes in this regard, while he was speaking about Russian interference in US elections.
It's not like these facts are mysteries to ILXors; they are not buried by historians. The conversation was about Biden saying one stupid, untrue thing in order to strengthen his contention that the Russian interference was bad for the USA by citing a pure falsehood about our history. As cause for complaint in presidential conduct this is just belly scratching. We do it mainly because it feels good.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 05:31 (three years ago) link
RIP Champ
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 19 June 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
is it beneficial to have all elected reps be sociopaths who think that voters are too stupid or fragile not to lie to, or does it kick in at a certain level of influence?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 19 June 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
i dunno bro, ask Obama
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 June 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
sic's just a curious guy, askin' questions
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 19 June 2021 23:58 (three years ago) link
wait, is "Aimless" not Obama's login? I don't read Springsteen threads
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 20 June 2021 02:29 (three years ago) link
I think there's more than one ilxor who'd feel insulted to equate me with Barack Obama.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Sunday, 20 June 2021 02:42 (three years ago) link
Joe Bombin
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 2 July 2021 17:09 (three years ago) link
holy shit this guy gets it and is done with the bullshit pic.twitter.com/8ypsnG1htV— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) July 23, 2021
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 July 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link
Some good news about judges.
President Biden and the Democratic-controlled Senate have installed more federal judges during the first six months of his presidency than any administration since Richard Nixon's.
Why it matters: While Democrats may spend more time talking publicly about vaccines and infrastructure, the rapid pace of both nominations and confirmations shows judges are one of the party's most urgent priorities. President Trump pushed through his own slate of judges to boost conservatives for decades.
By the numbers: Biden has had eight federal judges confirmed since taking office on Jan. 20
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 July 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
After weeks of silence, the White House is now saying -- just 3 days before the eviction moratorium expires -- that they want Congress to extend it but can't themselvesMy reporting suggests no senior officials in the WH were pushing for an extension even before the court ruling https://t.co/Zn96xgwBYT— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) July 29, 2021
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 30 July 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
this fucking white supremacist rapist mass murdering cop loving piece of shit scum ramping up the ethnic cleansing that people insisted his administration would protect against is it
― Left, Saturday, 31 July 2021 11:34 (three years ago) link
the attempts to defend this shit in the comments are absolutely repulsive, liberals are fucking monsters
I looked this up because you didn’t link anything… two days after a CNN story abt it isn’t breaking anything. He’s speeding up asylum processing, which is very good, so obviously deportations of those who don’t qualify would toohttps://t.co/E7B7Yr3axf— domnahm (@d_vasapolli) July 29, 2021
― Left, Saturday, 31 July 2021 11:36 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7gXSE2VcAEI0Lk?format=jpg
That last part in blue is particularly important. He's been using title 42 expulsions this whole time to crack down on Haitians while claiming his deportation numbers are low.— 🏞️➡️🌊🇵🇸🔜🆓 (@JackDexterity) July 30, 2021
― Left, Saturday, 31 July 2021 11:39 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/07/us/politics/biden-congress-eviction-moratorium.html
But as the relief money moved slowly and the Delta variant surged, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus pressed Gene Sperling, who oversees pandemic relief programs for the White House, and Mr. Biden’s chief of staff, Ron Klain, to commit to another extension. The officials were pessimistic and noncommittal. On July 27, Mr. Sperling emailed the group’s chairwoman, Pramila Jayapal, a Democrat from the Seattle area, to say the answer was a firm “no.” That was followed by a call from Mr. Klain, who asked her to delay a news conference denouncing the move.Ms. Jayapal refused.“Then we began agitating and building a chorus,” Ms Jayapal said.
Ms. Jayapal refused.
“Then we began agitating and building a chorus,” Ms Jayapal said.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 8 August 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link
I guess activists couldn't move Joe Biden after all.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 August 2021 21:22 (three years ago) link
lol what a gotcha!!!
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 8 August 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/267/swedish_chef.jpg
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 August 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link
Sure would be nice if Jayapal was Speaker.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 8 August 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
hi, map!! It's been a while!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 August 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
hi just putting in the minimal effort to call out your facile milo zing, excited to skip over more of your sloppy writing and thinking in the future. cheers!
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 8 August 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
Hi! I wasn't zinging you -- I was genuinely saying hi -- but I suppose shallow reading is something you excel at.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 August 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link
haha it is! sorry alfred.
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 8 August 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
― JoeStork
I have been saying this
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 8 August 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link
seconded
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 August 2021 22:41 (three years ago) link
and because many stories since January have attested to her White House connections -- i.e. a direct line exists between her and them -- it makes sense.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 August 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
If Jayapal is the successor, I'm more than willing to let go of Pelosi. Since my personal congressional rep is a fucking blue dog who voted against Pelosi for her current Speaker's term in the hope of moving the caucus to the right, I'm hesitant to think that Jayapal can win the votes she needs to move the caucus left.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 9 August 2021 02:36 (three years ago) link
As much as I would like Jayapal in that role, I thought the conventional wisdom was that Hakeem Jeffries would be Pelosi's successor.
― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2021 04:09 (three years ago) link