outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

the meeting where i heard that statistic was the same day as the mandate announcement, i'll be very curious to see how things change with it in place

It seems certain to increase the number of the vaccinated and to stoke the fires of resentment, but those fires were already burning pretty hot just in regard to masks and lockdowns, so what's another log on the pyre? More vaccinated people is a necessity, less aggrieved people is not a necessity.

i have been struck by how differently things feel down here in new mex, at least wrt cultural attitudes towards vaccination/masking/etc. i've seen one person (a year ago) try to make a fuss about wearing a mask (with a 'medical exemption' card off the internet) and the situation was defused fairly quickly. i've heard of some tourists (texans) get stroppy about our regs but not really seen it, everyone tends to play by the rules in public.

i wonder if the reason for this is the same reason vaccination rates are relatively high on the texas border (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/06/mexixan-factory-workers-texas-border-covid-19, https://www.tpr.org/border-immigration/2021-07-16/border-counties-vaccination-rio-grande-valley-covid-delta), which is ... demographically similar to NM? or is it?

as always, new ed yong (and coauthors) is good

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/six-ways-think-about-pandemic-now/620129/

The difference between the U.K. and the U.S. isn’t just that fewer Americans are vaccinated. It’s that fewer of the most vulnerable Americans are vaccinated, and they tend to cluster together.

Risk of death and hospitalizations from COVID-19 rises sharply with age, and in the U.K. nearly everyone over 65 is vaccinated. A New York Times analysis found very few areas in the U.K. where more than 2 percent of residents are 65 and not fully vaccinated. In contrast, that number is above 10 percent in many counties in the American South and Mountain West. Even small differences in these rates can determine the level of crisis: A community where 10 percent of residents are unvaccinated seniors has essentially five times as many people who might need an ICU bed than a community where that number is only 2 percent.

Vaccine coverage also varies dramatically from county to county in the U.S. The more unvaccinated people are concentrated, the more easily the virus can find its next victim. Imagine three out of four people in every household are vaccinated; the unvaccinated person is unlikely to spread the virus very much at home, says Graham Medley, an infectious-disease modeler at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. Now imagine three out of every four households are completely vaccinated; the virus will spread through the unvaccinated households. The overall vaccination rate is the same, but the results are very different.

wonder how much of the anti-mask bullshit is related to conservatives' favorite pet issue - the idea that they're being "silenced". I think it's like 20% "it's uncomfortable" and 80% "we don't like how it looks"

They need to see the thin, pinched lips of every other honky in the neighborhood. That's freedom, baby.

holy god do I hate DeSantis: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article254436773.html

It isn't even the consequences of his policies; it's the giggling, sneering contempt for things we took for granted like vaccines because Democrats endorse them.

It isn't even the consequences of his policies; it's the giggling, sneering contempt for things we took for granted like vaccines because Democrats endorse them.

i'm glad child vaccines seem to be around the corner and cases are drastically on the decline here, because holy fuck. he's such an anti-science fuck and the new surgeon general he appointed is just as bad, a yes man.

fun fact: roughly 1 out of every 90 COVID deaths worldwide has been from Florida

That's freedom talking, frogbs.

Can't make an omelette ...

ums, table, others: i'm still unbookmarked from this thread (for my own good, and yours). i wanted to apologize for the way i acted yesterday. there are excuses for it but i know what i'm getting into when i click a thread like this. doing my best not put myself into those situations for a while (failing sometimes!), but just wanted to take advantage of a calm moment to drop in and say sorry. we will meet on other threads!

i'm glad child vaccines seem to be around the corner and cases are drastically on the decline here, because holy fuck. he's such an anti-science fuck and the new surgeon general he appointed is just as bad, a yes man.

― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal)

Death rates remain astonishingly high, but it looks like COVID burned through the unjabbed.

death is a lagging indicator tho, they'll fall after cases do

yeah they should be falling over the next several weeks.

KM you're a don

Caught a news snippet interviewing a local guy whose pregnant wife died - their OB-Gyn told them the vaccine was safe but they "wanted to do their own research." Then she caught it and died. So fucking stupid and senseless.

You should immediately die of embarrassment if you use that phrase seriously explaining why you and your wife decided to sacrifice her life.

they wanted to do their own research about whether death is really the end

My other half got a text from his babymama today saying she wont be getting the vax because it has a "petrochemical" ingredient and her "sensitivity to chemicals" might be triggered due to her "illness". I hve looked up the ingredients of all the main covid brands, what the FUCK is she talking about, even the tinfoil hat brigade have never mebntioned "petrochemicals" that ive seen.

Now, on its own thats whatever,she can do what she likes but she DOES NOT WANT HER KIDS TO GET VACCINATED. B had this fhight with their childhood shots and now it looks like he will have to do the same thing again (kids are both teenagers) because COME THE FUCK ON LADY.

Trayce, you are the only other ilxor that will get this tweet

BREAKING NEWS: Anti-Vax protesters remain trapped in Northcote Plaza unable to successfully navigate an exit as they are baffled by the presence of a second Coles.

— Charlie Pickering (@charliepick) September 24, 2021

Ahahahaha yeah I just saw that one myself, was greatly amused.

WTF these idiots doing in high street? "haha lets give hipsters covid!"

while there are some Australian-adjacent ppl on the thread (instead of posting on the right-wing cartoons thread):

https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/crocodile_done_dee-1024x748.jpg

for overseas viewers, this is the handsome blond fella that Garrison is depicting at right

heck dang

Was gonna say, Dan ought to be pretty pleased with that depiction.

A brutal read:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233

uhhhh Kamala Harris was about to come out on The View and two of the hosts just tested positive for COVID in the middle of the show and had to leave the stage...

— Laura Bassett (@LEBassett) September 24, 2021

lmao

It always seems to come back to the politics of spite for the GOP:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/breitbart-conservatives-john-nolte-vaccine/620189/

Colorado residents can get free rapid tests by mail https://covid19.colorado.gov/covid-19-testing-at-home

Quite a lot here

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-hacked/

Xxxxpost hey Karl sorry I didn't respond been off this thread but thanks and absolutely no hard feelings, remain a Jazz fan for life

OMG at that Garrison.

It always seems to come back to the politics of spite for the GOP:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/breitbart-conservatives-john-nolte-vaccine/620189/

can't decide if this is completely insane or if he's intentionally conjuring an esoteric double psychology reading, in a legit if gnostic attempt to try to encourage vaccination

A good thing!

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mercks-covid-19-pill-cuts-risk-death-hospitalization-by-50-study-2021-10-01/

If it's not good enough for a horse, it's not good enough for me, sorry.

It was tested on horses, of course of course.

Sorry. Not going to believe that obvious false propaganda. Gonna wait for my second cousin Chad to let me know if it worked for his roommate's sister's boyfriend's manager at the Five Guys before I'll believe it.

I mean, yeah, joeks, but I don't see this making a huge dent in deaths among the Q contingent. What, they're gonna take something recommended by a so-called 'doctor' over gobbling down Miracle-Gro plant food spikes as recommended by a random Facebooker?

But we can't use the baseline of "what will the Q folks believe" to determine progress.

If the drug companies had any real interest in curtailing this pandemic they would invent a medicine that cuts death and hospitalization by 100%, not 50%. Clearly they're just trying to drag this out.

xpost No, but the longer there are intransigent holdouts getting needlessly sick and getting other people needlessly sick, the longer this is gonna stretch on.

Still very good news for the sane people in the world!

xpost No, but the longer there are intransigent holdouts getting needlessly sick and getting other people needlessly sick, the longer this is gonna stretch on.

Oh I absolutely agree, but what can we do? It's been made crystal clear that these intransigent holdouts aren't going to be swayed by anything. I'm just tired of seeing the media cater to them. Fuck them at this point. They should not even be a consideration in making progress, mandates or anything.

this is a great thing regardless of what skeptics don't wanna listen. this is the first oral anti-viral available - every other therapeutic that has existed up until this point has been a antibody cocktail (ie monoclonal antibody treatment) that must be administered at a specific facility, or has been administered after the recipient is already in the hospital.

this is like....a pill. down the hatch, boom. if we can start decoupling hospitalizations/deaths from cases a lot better than we've done in the US (which we've done a terrible job of) - that's a big deal. esp since it could work for the stubborn fucks that won't get vaxxed but might be ok taking a pill.

this is like....a pill. down the hatch, boom.

If only it were that simple! First it's through the teeth, then past the gums. Then down the hatch. It's actually a fairly complicated process.

If Americans have demonstrated anything it's a longstanding affinity for pills.

Who in this bitch still has teeth come on

*raises hand*

Although they often hurt more than they used to tbh