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Who do you think I am, Martin?

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

no. but you are N's long lost sister.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally in self-fancying SHOCKAH

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

So that's where my brother went. My mother always told me I had an older brother that she sent away, because she hates boys...

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

well tell yr momma N is a GROWN MANG now!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Trust me, if she gets wind of the tickle thing she'll never take him back.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

ok then I'll tell her and then she can send you here. i can tickle ya ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

You really want to tickle N. though, admit it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 25 May 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Seinfeld: totally classic. I watch the reruns quite regularly.
I thought this show was unsurpassed in american comedy,
until I started watching Home Movies (on Cartoon Network).

But I'm not entirely without complaint.

They truly should have found someone else to play Seinfeld. In a stellar
comedic cast he stood out as a rank amateur, often botching the
proceedings. The scripts stroke his ego shamelessly, pairing him with
an endless parade of beautiful women and sparing him the severest
discomfort. And his standup was horrible, an unintentional joke.

But he couldn't stop the show from being brilliant! Starting about
halfway through the second season, the writers were so great at
layering several absurd storylines, culminating in these chaotic
comedic orgies that can only be compared to end-of-episode
climaxes in _Fawlty Towers_. How come more sitcoms don't
have this format, instead of a boring linear string of
sometimes-funny wisecracks? Mindless jokes _Seinfeld_
decidedly IS NOT.

Thing is, the early episodes were pretty crappy - that's partly
why I think people don't like them, they got a bad taste in their
mouth early on and never gave it a second chance.

Also, the episodes are highly self-referential, so you have
to watch it from the opening credits, or half the jokes don't
make any sense whatever.

And woah, are there actually people named Shoshanna?
I know a Shoshanna and I thought that her name was a
bizzare hippie side effect.

Oh yeah, and the sight of a pimp Kramer being
arrested for assaulting a prostitute = one of the best
endings ever.

― squirl plise (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

How did I get mixed up in this?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

ps. please no one tickle me. My sister used to do it to me till I was a gibbering wreck. I can't even remember what I'd done wrong.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

It's cos you're TOO MUCH THE SEXY, N.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

UR sick.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Shoshanna is the Hebrew form of Susannah.

― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sick. You're totally right. That doesn't take away the fact that you're my long lost brother and that Julio wants to tickle you, N.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

There is no better modern illustration of the timelessness of the ancient story of the Emperor's New Clothes than the fact that Seinfeld was a success.

D-U-D garbage!!!!

― Fred Nerk, Monday, 26 May 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

wow

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 26 May 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

SEINFELD ROXX U R ALL GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, what is UP with all the Seinfeld hate??!!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 26 May 2003 05:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I mean it was a sitcom, I thought it was pretty funny, but we are talking about a sitcom here. there are no big threads about according to jim.

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

YET!

(ominous music)

― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

''You really want to tickle N. though, admit it.''

Ally with my right hand. N with my left.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

ally with my right hand 'n' with my left.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

rjg!?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

?????????

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Me before reading this thread: :)
Me after reading this thread: :(

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 26 May 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

richard- you're sick.

the laughter has been sucked out of this thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

gimme a break.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, RJG wants to tickle me now too? What is going on here?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"Seriously, what is UP with all the Seinfeld hate??!! "

I don't know, but there is something seriously wrong with anyone who can't see the utter genius of Seinfeld.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate when people say things like that. Taste is taste. I have a totally instinctive revulsion to this show, a revulsion I probably should analyze -- but that would necessitate actually watching it, and life seems too short at the moment.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"I hate when people say things like that. Taste is taste."

yeah, I know.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i think it's funny but i think everything's funny

(even will and grace, i lied abt that upthread so as to look cool)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

haha on the doc abt brit sitcoms just now they said solemnly "the last of the summer wine is unique among sitcoms"

which is true: i don't think it's funny really

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

ok a bit

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Last of the SW is funny and Seinfeld is funny.

Seinfeld gets criticised for its nihilism because it verges on excessive depth - for America. (The characters try to do volunteer work and fail, Elaine campaigns for equal opportunities because big breasted women are favoured over her, people turn to Judaism 'for the jokes' - the pathos of the attempt towards something that circles back into bourgeois stasis is nearly voiced. But whereas on Seinfeld minor characters suffer, on 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' Larry David is the middle class child abuser, the fake Jew, the wife beater.)

― m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ now has ALL the episodes transcribed.

― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)

How can anyone really vote for anything lesser than A FUCKING

GODLIKE GENIUS!

Seinfeld seriously ruined me for ALL other "sitcoms", they just all really suck in comperison.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

this will obviously interest no one but i'v got every single episode on tapes. I'm sure i'm not the only one. My giant beloved Seinfeld shelf.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

< / brag >

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"I am a fancy boy."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

All you hataz are NOT SPONGEWORTHY.

― Elaine (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I sort of find the show shrill and insulting, like a Jewish/New Yorker version of blackface minstrelry. George is like the Sambo of the UWS.

Perhaps if I watched it enough and could get into the rhythms, pick up the nuances (if there are rhythms to be gotten into and nuances to be picked up) and noticed the characters interacted with but ultimately transcended such carcicature, I'd like it better.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I get this sense that people (who watch Seinfeld) are flattering themselves in this perverse and counterproductive way by imaginging themselves to *be* these grotesque caricatures, like it gives their self-involvement some kind of splendor by association. I guess in this way it is a complex mixture of self-hatred and aspiration and conforming to others' expectations and occasional transcendence of these things as "Will and Grace." That show makes me uncomfortable too, but my superficial sense is that the staging and line delivery is better in "W&G" (I don't know about the writing).

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I think a couple words left out may have rendered those last two posts incoherent. Please let me know if that's the case.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

mentioning Will and Grace in a thread about Seinfeld renders everything incoherent. what is going on?

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"if there are rhythms to be gotten into and nuances to be picked up"

yes, Seinfeld is all about nuances and rhythms.

"staging and line delivery is better in 'W&G'"

The staging and line delivery (as well as the writing) are the main things that make Seinfeld so laugh-out-loud-able. Some of the funniest moments are based purely on the way one of the characters says something or a basic interaction (the other funniest moments come from an intricate and complicated script revealing itself).

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Line readings: they always seem to be playing to the gallery, like they're always cocking their heads audience-ward to gauge the reaction while it's happening (like: "Eh? Yeah, you think that's funny? You like that?") that slows everything to a turgid crawl for me, even if the pacing is ostensibly frenetic.

Stan Brakhage loved this show but he had bad taste far as I can tell.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't he direct a bunch of episodes?

― slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

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Seinfeld: Classic or Dud

GODLIKE GENIUS!