outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

From what I've heard, pharmacies really don't seem to GAF anymore, just say you work in a "risky environment" and it's good enough for them.

oh yeah you can totally lie and no one cares. but if you're waiting because you think you're not eligible then you might be is my point.

not really sure what the point of restricting them is tbh. i guess they're still not willing to concede the point that boosters are necessary for everyone, so they set criteria, and those criteria, strictly speaking, include a mere 85% of US adults, not 100%.

Yeah, I thought that was kinda pointless. I mean, if pushed, I'll just explain that I'm full time around students (which isn't a lie!). Focused on getting my son his first jab first tbh though.

i got a booster about ten days ago and the pharmacist didn't ask me a single question about my eligibility

went in for a doctors appointment and was kinda surprised that she took me getting a booster as a given, said she’d do it mid-December

I’m 35, just barely underweight, no comorbidities that apply (that I can tell), no job much less a high risk one, but it wasn’t even a discussion. feel weird about it, given that half the world hasn’t gotten a first shot and I’m at such (relatively) low risk, but I don’t suppose there’s any way I can send my dose overseas, and I do trust her, so guess I’m getting another Dolly jab in six weeks 🤷🏻‍♀️

The claim that there were 14x times patients in hospital with covid a year ago in the UK is incorrect. There we 14,546 hospitalised covid patients a year ago (8 Nov 2020), and around 9000 today (i.e. ~0.6x).https://t.co/qlzP7Hcxwn https://t.co/8F79GOHza8 pic.twitter.com/f6qOxtIbgD

— Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois) November 8, 2021

Clarifies in the article that she was apparently referring to August 2021 (22,877) vs August 2020 (1,629)

August isn't relevant to winter. Not great reporting.

but you can sit next to the driver on the DLR, which is cool

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:13 (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I regret to correct you that this hasn't in fact been possible since the start of the pandemic, the front and back of every train is fenced off

All the trains sport giant poppies though at least

Plus wasn't August 2020 just after about 3 months of lockdown so you'd expect cases to be fairly low then xps

Also no vaccine and iirc ppl were a bit more cautious (depending on age). Not much open sport or clubs.

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Younger kid now vaxxed. I think we are about to see an even bigger social disjunction than we did with adults. It seems like in my social group every single person is climbing over themselves to get their 5-11s vaccinated. But what proportion of kids in that age group are actually going to get vaccinated in the next few months? Maybe a third?

I'm volunteering at a vax clinic for 5-11 today, I'll report back any observations.

Got my own booster yesterday, a mix-n-match Pfizer shot to bolster my two previous Modernas. More or less the same side effects as before but somewhat more mild. Just some aches and pains and tossing and turning at night, but more or less back to normal this morning.

I mentioned above that our school system was distributing vaccinations. However, both times I tried to sign my youngest up, all appointments had been filled by the time I got to the registration website. I eventually found a Target pharmacy that had an opening about 2 weeks from now.

Each of our 8 elementary schools gets its own pop up clinic. I heard that the entirety of Chicago public schools got a mere *4* clinic locations.

My son's first appointment is set for next Monday. Was hoping to go through the district's thing (early rumors were that it was going to be at each school, but in the end only 1 for the whole district) here, but ours also filled up very quickly (which is an encouraging sign, overall).

It's astounding how many of the kids in my regular social group have been vaccinated already or are scheduled to get one this week. But it probably will be every single kid in our particular demographics getting shots within two weeks and then nobody else.

Mine got his on Sunday after someone discovered a ton of openings at the local Wal-Mart pharmacy, so a bunch of people have gone there now possibly for the first time. The venn diagram of 'regular walmart shoppers' and 'want kids vaxxed ASAP' does not seem overlap at all here.

Oh yeah, if I had to bet, 25% of the kids in my town got their first shot already, and I would not be shocked if you told me it was higher. My kids both got it already. They were ecstatic about it, presumably because they see it as the path back to normal life.

i am disappointed to learn that you all hate our freedoms so much

daily US vax numbers have gone up significantly, probably due to arrival of kid shots plus boosters, but I do like that Bloomberg is at least trying to keep track of booster numbers now, even though they're probably unlikely to be accurate as some people have done it off the books or got theirs by telling a tale to the pharmacist months ago. right now estimates 7.5% of population has gotten boosters, which is higher than I expected.

It's another big difference between my social world and the US -- the proportion of people I know who've gotten boosters (mostly middle-aged people) feels like more than half.

But what proportion of kids in that age group are actually going to get vaccinated in the next few months? Maybe a third?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 9:27 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's going to be a requirement to attend schools in person in many states, so 1/3 seems low.

Why is it going to be a requirement to attend schools when it's not a requirement for kids over 12 now?

1) California has announced that it will be
2) many vaccines are already required to attend schools
3) it is likely that this one will be required once it is approved for all school-age children, because of the ongoing global pandemic

xxxpost i assume we'll have a good portion of fully-vaxxed people whose opinion is "why do I have to do this AGAIN? that doesn't make sense" reaction, which I can't entirely blame them for because we had scientists and doctors arguing with each other on whether we should do them or not.

and I think that's what moved the needle more than the ethical debate (which was a valid one, but is the debate that really never resolved nicely amongst the experts). I think there was also debate of whether the waning immunity was due to legit waning or whether it was due to Delta and its evasive properties.

Why is it going to be a requirement to attend schools when it's not a requirement for kids over 12 now?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 1:32 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it will be. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/

i posted that link last time you were saying no kids were going to get vaccinated.

CA is requiring vaccination for all kids who are eligible from the start of the following school year they become eligible. for all kids over five that will be next summer.

local school districts are free to implement more aggressive timelines, which many are. e.g. LAUSD is requiring all 12+ to be vaccinated by jan 10.

I have to admit I'm not rushing to get a booster at this point. As long as cases keep falling and hospitalizations and deaths are pretty low in my area, it kind of feels like overkill, and we know that T-Cell immunity is longlasting even if some of the antibody immunity wanes.

I heard something interesting about China and Covid on the radio yesterday, that they've done such a good job stopping the spread of it through restrictions and regulations and no doubt plenty of draconian stuff that they reportedly really don't have good data about its spread in the country or the effectiveness of their vaccine, and for that reason have to maintain various restrictions for fear of sparking an outbreak they may or may not be prepared to control.

(If anyone else heard this, correct me if I'm wrong!)

Me, I'm just going to keep getting boosters every few weeks. Even if I don't get magnetic powers I'm bound to get *something* special eventually. Anti-covid breath?

my neighbor says the vaccine makes men go sterile

has anyone looked into this?

yes, aaron rogers, nfl qb and reseacher extraordinaire

China's vaccine (Sinovac) is actually pretty awful, something like 51% efficacy (and I doubt that's adjusted for Delta)

I have to admit I'm not rushing to get a booster at this point. As long as cases keep falling and hospitalizations and deaths are pretty low in my area, it kind of feels like overkill, and we know that T-Cell immunity is longlasting even if some of the antibody immunity wanes.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 2:01 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

pretty sure this decision is going to be made for you if you want to travel to europe or israel again.

meh

i am definitely getting one, cases are going up where i am and i keep hearing breakthrough stories

Got mine yesterday!

If you work in an office or from home, I can understand the lack of urgency. If you've been jabbed for more than two months and deal with the public, I suggest you do.

two = six

I'm tentatively planning to get one in January, but will change plans if clearer guidance comes out

I need to make an appointment for my booster now that I've got my kid's appointments locked in.

I'm waiting for an appointment with my oncologist next week, but sort of want to get one earlier. I should message him.

it will be. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 12:40 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i posted that link last time you were saying no kids were going to get vaccinated.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, November 9, 2021 12:40 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Oh I know what California is doing! But I'm not really aware of other places that have required vaccination for high school students, even places which have been quite vigilant with mask-wearing and vaccination mandates for staff; and all high school students have been vax-eligible since last spring. It seems like most places chose not to do it for high school this fall, and I don't really understand what the difference between this fall and next fall is.

Just a wild ass assumption on my part, but I imagined most districts were/are probably waiting until full approval for all school age kids to incorporate the vaxx into their requirements at once, rather than trying to piecemeal it in for the various age groups.

correct.

xp Could be, we'll see! I mean, assuming endemicity as seems safe it's hard to see why it doesn't eventually go in the rotation with all the rest.

xxp is your point "i don't think schools are going to mandate vaccinations because if they were, they would have done so already?" or are you really asking why they haven't done so already?