A thread about the Denis Villeneuve-helmed reboot of DUNE

i'm here all week

sadly for you

meanwhile:

Dave Bautista says his role in #Dune was a blessing. "I’m not just a guy in Guardians walking around shirtless and saying stupid s***. [The role] just gives me the opportunity to just play these like really, really deep characters. So that’s a blessing,” he said. (Via: @abcnews) pic.twitter.com/9VgypuKvG8

— Binge Watch This (@BingeWatchThis_) November 6, 2021

lol next he's in an adaptation of The Neanderthal Parallax after that typecast breaking role in Dune

yeah wondered if he was in any danger of getting typecast when I saw that. Glad he feels he's having extra dimensions added/being stretched by the wardrobe difference.

avoiding type-casting by demanding a different primary colour of all-body paint with each new film

i'm with bautista here, honestly. i think going from "grunting good guy that we love" to "convincingly unpleasant bad guy that we dislike" does display some kind of range as an actor and screen presence, which would help you in being taken seriously for a greater ranger of parts in the future.

Wasn't he barely in this movie? I don't remember him doing or saying much at all. As opposed to his role in "Blade Runner," which was fleeting but made an impression.

He was very good in a five min role in blade runner

Personally id have him nailed on to play both mitchell brothers in a big screen eastenders, why not

someone has to be the guy who smashes Ryan Gosling straight through a studded wall

so people are taking umbrage at him talking down marvel movies, so good on him.

Bautista was very good in the Blade Runner sequel; he was good in Army of the Dead; he was good in Stuber; he was good in Bushwick. I think he's a much more thoughtful and talented actor than people assume, and the more different kinds of things he wants to try, the better.

he's fine, this is still a dumb thing to say ffs, yr all nuts

I don’t really know who he is but ppl in the replies to that tweet are really enraged at his disloyalty to the Disney corporation

theyre dumb too

the harkonnens is where he's a viking

He played sting in this & made no impression on me = deep deep character

different character!

he played this guy:
https://i.imgur.com/OPbjHJs.jpg

there's some debate whether the string character will appear in this version

i call him string

String theory

I'm not a Guardians of the Galaxy fan, but his role in that was far more memorable

https://summary.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dave-bautista.jpg

I've found a pic of him auditioning for Death of a Salesman in some regional theatre

Attention must be paid. Basketballs don't hold grudges

looks like he’s the one who killed the salesman

such a sensitive artistic soul as he - constantly getting offered scripts to play monstrous psychopaths, bouncers, skullcrushers etc with credited names like "mongo" and "bear" is just not on mate!

This was dope.

can’t knock Bautista or anyone not feeling satisfied in their career and trying to make the most of it.

Even in GotG where he is walking around shirtless saying stupid shit he's very good at it and gives a great comedic performance.

dunerereadwatch: the paul of the book is exhausting and i wish a sandworm wd roll over him

i) he can do anything and easily overcomes all narrative obstacles
ii) he never stops mumbling that "the jihad must not happen"
iii) i have read DUNE MESSIAH and i know that, whatever else does not happen, the jihad *does* happen (he blames his mum)
iv) it is p funny when stilgar and his mum lose patience with his self-regard and massively neg him when he's expecting praise lol

I like how so many of the current field of crossover muscle dudes have pretty good comic timing. Bautista, Momoa, Cena, even the Rock. Arnold could be funny, too, but it was also kind of campy and winky and always more or less Arnold as Arnold. These other dudes seem like they take direction better.

yeah true. i remember when the rock was on snl in the early 2000s being surprised at how good he was at comedy, not something we were generally trained to expect with the previous generation of gigantic musclemen. i think a big part of it is how many of these guys came out of pro wrestling, where you have to be good at comic timing and getting across to a live audience. as opposed to say arnold, who came out of bodybuilding which literally only asks you to stand still and pose silently.

He ruined it for himself by getting into politics (and going insane, not necessarily in that order), but Jesse "The Body" Ventura was really a pioneer in this regard and deserves a lot more praise for his work than he gets these days.

still catching up with the thread, so these points may have already been discussed but:
1. The Atreides walk into the trap because they feel the Harkonnen and Emperor have underestimated the Fremen in both fighting ability and population size. They know it's a trap, but they see a way to win. They also see value in knowing the trap, and worry that refusing Arrakis would just lead to another better hidden trap.
2. The Emperor is killing the Atreides in this seemingly roundabout way because it also allows him to sell spice reserves at high prices. The Harkonnen also get to do this. The emperor is threatened by Duke Leto's popularity. The Baron has old beef with the family. They both have their reasons to kill off the family, and they both get to make a shit ton of DuneDollars by doing it this way.

bigger plot hole for me has always been Dr. Yueh's betrayal. He went through "Imperial Conditioning", as indicated by the mark on his forehead, which is supposed to make it impossible for him to harm the people he serves. And yet Piter "discovers" that people with "Imperial Conditioning" will still do your bidding "if you capture and threaten to kill somebody they love," which seems to make the conditioning worthless, so why bother coming up with it at all. I suppose the new movie has so little Dr Yueh (and Piter) that the betrayal and its mechanisms don't really matter.

yeah that is a strange one. You'd think there would be some internal logic to this conditioning where he'd adhere to some kind of "least people ending up dead" code of ethics.

mofo must have cheated on his imperial exam

The end result of him being left to choose between his duty and his love made it somewhat of a sham POO rather than conditioning

Im no happier with that that any of ye are i promise but yknow its late

Just-started thread from a fave Twitter follow of mine, she knows her fashion.

1 - Hello, darlings. Welcome to #Threadtalk! This edition we're taking an interstellar trip to Arrakis to review the costumes of #Dune (2021).

Like before, featuring minimal to no spoilers. A focus on fashion and its relation to fashion history, plus bit of... spice. 🪐 pic.twitter.com/Edpu11D7dz

— Natania Barron (@NataniaBarron) November 8, 2021

An interesting article on the architecture that influenced the design of Dunehttps://t.co/HEyT54IaIa

— Duncan Bell (@DrDuncanBell) November 7, 2021

and here's architecture take

SUK medical conditioning more like medical conditioning that SUKS

― mark s, Saturday, 23 October 2021 20:57 (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

"Imperial Conditioning", as indicated by the mark on his forehead, which is supposed to make it impossible for him to harm the people he serves. And yet Piter "discovers" that people with "Imperial Conditioning" will still do your bidding "if you capture and threaten to kill somebody they love," which seems to make the conditioning worthless

but this actually isn't quite what piter ends up discovering that he's discovered, which is more that the coditioning can be overriden if a conditioned suk doctor can be caused to hate someone that they decide to kill them (and killing rather than harm is what the conditioning supposedly makes imposdsible): in the event yueh fails to kill the baron, but that's his intention, and that's why others have to die -- leto, shadout mapes, esmar tuek. yueh says as much in his note to paul and jessica (while jessica has already noted the extreme intensity of his hatred towards the harkonnens (which gets fatally misread, as fostering loyaty towards the atreides -- but no, it overrides that too. yueh loves the atreides but the hatred piter unleashes just swamps all that. piter teaches yueh to want to kill: this is buried in the text but i think important -- and of course it's why piter dies (also he dies bcz mentats just can't stop making dumb mistakes lol, they think like computers = they are dumm).

secondary deaths do seem like a problem for the conditioning tho: every time yueh gives idaho or halleck their yearly flu jab he is making it more likely that these legendary ducal killing machines will kill again. in conclusion this was a hurried device of suspect value, which is not exectly territory herbert shies away from. ps doctors with the conditioning are allowed to wear their hair long and gathered though a silver "suk ring", mister police i gave you all the clues

It is a lie of political convenience and therefore quite easily absorbed into any narrative

*slapping roof of dune* this narrative can absorb so many lies of political convenience

^^^not even actually a joke, it's what the book is about

A sandworm wouldnt swallow it but look here we are

the bene gesserit would know about this lie of political convenience given that they usually author them, but you've reminded me that the book at least tells of jessica nearly discovering him when she misreads darth yueh's switch to the dark side.

iirc she is probing Yueh's hatred of the harkonnen when she receives an interrupting vision that her thopter warranty has expired. Herbert foresaw everything.

at that stage in the story herbert is pedal-to-the-metal on the "strategics of love" vs the "tactics of hate" i think, leto glumly and somewhat self-hating talking to paul abt the atriedes propaganda flooding arrakis, about how he's kind and not cruel and etc, and then we see the power of loyalty unfold vs how the harkonnens do things, and the harkonnens are kinda dumb -- their thing nearly fully fucks up right at the start and carries on fucking up despite them now having all the resources and also all the imperial support. except of course FH's moral is "well hate is bad adn stupid yes, imagine now that you have a supersmart leader-prophet that ppl adoringly follow out of love -- imagine how much WORSE that might be!"