Is the US a dystopia?

let it beatles

Climate catastrophe is going to be pretty universal IIRC.

which is v little to do with the point about 1492 is it

you can get with dystopia, or you can get with datopia

just throwing this out there but maybe dystopia fans are blind to dystopias

I dunno I think most fans of the crust punk band Dystopia probably would agree that the USA is a dystopia fwiw

let me see, is the US a dystopia.

the republican party is trying to actively KILL a lot of people. let me just see how that plays in the polls

The approval rating among those who voted for [Biden] has dropped from 80% to 69% in the April survey. There have been notable declines among Americans 18-34 and suburban residents, both of whom, in dramatic swings, now register net negative views on the president.

As bad as Biden’s number may be, the polling data for Democrats in Congress is far worse.

Republicans now sport a historic 10-point advantage when Americans are asked which party they prefer to control Congress, holding a 44%-34% margin over Democrats. That’s up from a 2-point Republican advantage in the October survey.

In the past 20 years, CNBC and NBC surveys have never registered a double-digit Republican advantage on congressional preference, with the largest lead ever being 4 pints for the GOP.

“If the election were tomorrow, it would be an absolute unmitigated disaster for the Democrats,″ said Jay Campbell, partner at Hart Research Associates and the Democratic pollster for the survey.

yes it's a full blown dystopia

nah but rich people have never had it better tho

A 4 pint lead is difficult to overcome tbh. sorry

Can the apocalypse be local?

Americans rly struggle with not being the world and i think its quite telling tbh

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, December 10, 2021 8:10 PM (one hour ago)

I was addressing "the apocalypse" that it could be argued helps to confirm the US as a dystopia, the subject of this important poll. So I guess I do think it can be local, idk, why not? Anyway Columbus never even entered future-US territory, it's more of a symbolic hinge year for everything being terrible from then on

I'd figure most people using the term think in the sense of dystopian science fiction and I kinda think 2021 has quite a few elements that seem like out of such.

There's no utopia that's not someone's dystopia, and vice versa.

The notion of local dystopias is an interesting one. Could be that there was an egalitarian paradise unfolding just a continent or two over from Mad Max.

If the US ticks all the boxes- and there's a case- then clearly plenty of very nice places to live in exist besides so id say thats a clear yes

Have we ever not been? Slave state — apartheid state — Vietnam/Watergate — Corporate state — Fury Road (2016-present)

the people in the mayfield candle factory that collapsed worked 12-hour shifts that paid $8 an hour. 110 ppl were inside. 40 ppl are still unaccounted for. they haven’t recovered a survivor since 3 am. pic.twitter.com/CsIIfLw3Pc

— Tracy Moore (@iusedtobepoor) December 11, 2021

it’s legal in kentucky to fire someone for refusing to work mandatory overtime

— Tracy Moore (@iusedtobepoor) December 11, 2021

The notion of local dystopias is an interesting one. Could be that there was an egalitarian paradise unfolding just a continent or two over from Mad Max.

Zardoz is another one. Although The Eternals are mainly a bunch of insufferable bores and their egalitarian paradise is pretty lame, but you wouldn't complain about it if you were being held captive by Charlotte Rampling.

Slave state — apartheid state — Vietnam/Watergate — Corporate state — Fury Road (2016-present)

We didn't start the fire, etc.

Let's see what all we have...you got this one.

US combined laissez-faire capitalism on it's drug industry and combined with heroin blow-back from the 'war on terror' created the opioid epidemic for fun and profit killing over a million Americans since 1999.

Getting back to the topic at hand, Le Guin wrote a book about a moon. Also was there some Cold War global political framework in her gender-bender book? I don't recall.

Climate catastrophe is going to be pretty universal IIRC.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:14 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

which is v little to do with the point about 1492 is it

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Saturday, December 11, 2021 1:17 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It is though (unless I'm misreading). The USA is the biggest historical contributor to the climate crisis. An argument could be made that if 1492 never happened, there would be no global crisis. Same for much of global environmental destruction -- Amazon forest all gone? Thank Ronald McDonald.

Local teachers in South Dakota “Dash for Cash” to help their classrooms by fighting over $5,000 in $1 bills while the crowd hoots and hollers. pic.twitter.com/azwGJKhaKU

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) December 12, 2021

they're going to remove that rug at some point

and then charge them for it!

An argument could be made that if 1492 never happened, there would be no global crisis.

Are we talking a world where Europe never came into contact with the Americas?

I can’t live without potatoes

-LL McCooljay

It would have happened eventually.

I can’t live without potatoes

OTM

Lol, Neanderthal.

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— Sam Biddle (@samfbiddle) December 13, 2021

It would have happened eventually.

Right but I'm saying the timeline where America turns the Earth into a toilet wasn't necessarily predetermined.

Maybe ecocide is the dharma of the human race idk.

this is all god's fault. god put the oil in the ground, fully formed, 8000 years ago

it was all predetermined

idk these guys predicted it pretty early

https://i.ibb.co/f4P96K0/index.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/cFmrLPX/index.jpg

Yeah I never loved the band but those album titles stuck with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CczFit6tGhs

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-tornado-factory-workers-threatened-firing-left-tornado-employ-rcna8581

personally idgi. fresh produce in american supermarkets is quite bad and expensive, every major city in the world has decent markets, etc. i guess it's better if it's brightly lit and you can listen to an instrumental soft jazz version of after the gold rush? https://t.co/g3b5LOgBcD

— joolsd (@joolsd) December 14, 2021

which Publix plays that?!? I'm happy if I get early '80 Boz Scaggs.

I regret starting a thread that functions as an invitation to post the most depressing news you can find, but more narrowly the degree to which the US seems to be embracing core elements of the most prominent fictional dystopias is pretty striking! Sadly not cyberpunk this time:

https://pen.org/scope-speed-educational-gag-orders-worsening-across-country/

And it’s getting worse. In the month since the report’s release, state lawmakers introduced 12 new bills, bringing the total to a staggering 66 educational gag orders for the year in 26 states, 12 of which have passed into law.

Here’s what’s happening:

The recent group of bills includes seven in Missouri and one each in New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and South Carolina.
All 12 of these bills target K–12 schools, four include provisions that would impact colleges and universities, and four include a focus on state agencies, other state-funded institutions, and “places of learning.”
Six of these bills specifically ban “critical race theory,” making a total of 20 state-level bills introduced this year with such explicit prohibitions.
Six of these bills contain explicit prohibitions against teaching or using curricular materials from “The 1619 Project,” bringing the total of these to 17 for the year.

xxp I remember back in the 80s, we hosted some soviet kids. When we took them to the supermarket, they lost their shit.

I think the original tweet is referencing that, not that Safeway is better than a local French produce market.

we do have abundant food (not everywhere, of course) of mostly mediocre quality. it's ok.

the critical race theory mess is one of the factors in favor of dystopia

to me

xxp I remember back in the 80s, we hosted some soviet kids. When we took them to the supermarket, they lost their shit.

I think the original tweet is referencing that, not that Safeway is better than a local French produce market.

So was communism.

I guess that’s the kind of joke that lands better with boomers.

Weirdly after I posted this I learned that an acquaintance is friends with clavicular’s mom, who is concerned for him.

Then a student who in the past has asked me if I had made a will yet because of my gray hairs told me I looked like clavicular. I do not so I am not sure what his point was. I told him that the looksmaxxing scene is a road to unhappiness. If you try to find fulfillment in “perfecting” yourself, you will always come up short, and that he should be very careful if he is engaging with this type of content. By this point he was completely disconnected and I might as well have been saying blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

https://abcnews.com/US/doj-arrests-soldier-made-400000-betting-maduros-removal/story?id=132325426

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/24/prediction-markets-could-soon-be-available-in-your-retirement-account.html

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in April 2026, *every single one* of the 1,570 refugees admitted in the United States were white South Africans.

In FY 2026, the U.S. has admitted a total of 6,066 white South Africans, three Afghans (back in November 2025), and nobody else.

the white supremacy court of the united states

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They spent at least $50 BILLION over 2 months to bomb people in Iran. I don't want to hear a single thing about what can and cannot be funded in this country. Ever. The End.

Source?

Of the south africans info i meant

it’s from early april but it looks like:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g89kkvenqo

US has let in 4,499 refugees since October - all but three were South African

only 3 of the several thousand refugees admitted to the u.s. so far in FY26 were not white south africans. but each of those three people started a band

And Paul Simon jacked their sound

There must be fifty ways to leave your country

Make a new Klan, Stan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJj7WiwcadU

Make a new Klan, Stan.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR),

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J-gzwilQyk

https://www.wcvb.com/article/massachusetts-inmates-sew-flags-americas-250th-anniversary/71387967

Massachusetts inmates sew flags ahead of America’s 250th anniversary
Demand for the flags rises ahead of July 4

FRAMINGHAM, Mass. —
As demand grows ahead of the nation’s semiquincentennial celebration, inmates across Massachusetts are sewing thousands of American flags by hand.

Inside MCI Framingham, rows of American flags are carefully stitched together one stripe at a time.

With the nation preparing to celebrate America’s 250th anniversary in 2026, demand for those handmade flags is rising across Massachusetts.

Since last July, inmates at correctional facilities in Framingham, Norfolk and Shirley have produced more than 700 American flags, nearly 500 Commonwealth and POW/MIA flags and more than 220,000 cemetery flags.

The flags are displayed at schools, parks, police and fire stations, and placed on veterans’ graves throughout the state.

"We really take pride that they are hand sewn here and that people can really participate in that process," said Shawn Jenkins, commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Correction.

people i used to say, i remember, that there were "two americas". i don't know how many americas there are, any more than i know how many bands named "black flag" (the irony is unintentional but fuck it let's go with it) there are. sometimes i'll ride the bus past the hawthorne theater and the sign outside will say that "black flag" is playing. and i always wonder if it's the Black Flag with Greg Ginn in it. sometimes I'll be with someone else and I'll say that, "do you know if that's the Black Flag with Greg Ginn in it?" And they don't, of course. I like "Damaged". I like the "Nervous Breakdown" EP. Hell, I even sort of like "The Process of Weeding Out". None of them are perfect records, but the first two at least are really good ones.

I don't want to see Greg Ginn's Black Flag. Greg Ginn is a fucking asshole. He has the legal right to use the name probably and fuck that guy. Maybe I'd go see another version of Black Flag, but for me to go see a band called "Black Flag" I need to know that not only are they playing Black Flag songs, that they're not _Greg Ginn's_ Black Flag. And Dez Cadena or whoever is probably a good guy, and fuck it, let me look it up.

OK I guess they're just called "FLAG". I guess that's fine. When Wall of Voodoo with Stan Ridgway broke up a bunch of the backing folks went on to play with Nervous Gender. I don't think they recorded with them, just played live. I like Nervous Gender with the Wall of Voodoo backing musicians, even if Paul Roessler had left. I have some bootleg tapes of that lineup and I listen to them sometimes. I don't really listen to Wall of Voodoo with Andy Prieboy, even though it's all the same people from Stan Ridgway Wall of Voodoo except for Stan and with Andy Prieboy, even though "Far Side of Crazy" is a pretty good song.

I guess that's my preference. If you can't be in Black Flag because Greg Ginn is a piece of shit, try and find something else to do. I know that's hard. People are always going to think of Dez Cadena and Keith Morris as "those guys from Black Flag" probably. Henry Rollins post-Black Flag is fine I guess but that's just one dude, one dude isn't the same as a band.

I wanna find some better band to be with, even though I'm not a musician and I can't sing, because the guy who owns the name to the band I grew up with is an asshole who fucking sucks.

I love music, but I don't listen to it as much as I used to. I don't really know why that is. It's pretty weird and confusing.

i only go for the finest, artisanal prison-labor flags

Eugene Robinson (formerly of Oxbow) and Chuck Dukowski (ex-Black Flag) formed a band in 2011 called Black Face. They released one 7" before ceasing operations. I believe Greg Ginn came after them.

I know he was reputed to be hassling Flag when they existed as a thing, but does Ginn really come after anyone anymore? Also I can't imagine Eugene backing down from a fight.

https://eugenesrobinson.substack.com/p/in-defense-ofgreg-ginn

Later during a session for the Black Flag inspired Black Face, a band Dukowski and I had formed to play all of his Black Flag tunes, as well as his unreleased Black Flag songs, he had told me that Ginn was “evil.”

“Totally fucking evil, man…” and we sat in the fading light of a Los Altos Hills evening where we had just been rehearsing.

I heard it all. But, and this is the thing with me…Ginn had always been nice to me. Though the list of people who I had met who had always been nice to me — Charles Manson, Anton LaVey, John Wayne Gacy, Bill Clinton — doesn’t seem to say much, I did value this.

More than that when perusing all of what he had contributed to my life it seemed almost easy to forgive. Records by Bad Brains, Minutemen, Husker Du, Meat Puppets, Sonic Youth, nevermind Oxbow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EabebOlDkUw

most damning thing i can say about bill clinton is that i was watching the chevy chase documentary and he opened a birthday card from bill clinton, and chevy chase said nice things about bill clinton

CHEVY
CHASE

the man who's so evil that hardly anybody loves him

i mean i can say more damning things about bill clinton, a lot of us can, but that's the most damning thing i can think of right this second

Obviously Clinton had to get on Chevy's good side to avoid a devastating parody where Clinton falls down a bunch of times.

is Greg Ginn a dystopia?

is Greg Ginn a dystopia?

― The Immortal Bird of Avon (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, May 26, 2026 9:50 AM

known close associate of donald rumsfeld

(that's a pun, i'm making a pun, to my knowledge that's not literally true)

Rumsfeld also had an album called “My War.”

I love Eugene but his riff in that essay about not knowing if Ginn smoked weed must at best be some deadpan comedic thing

Rumsfeld also had an album called “My War.”

LOL