outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

"outbreak 2: omicron and on"

already dummies misinterpreting the study on both sides.

*This isn't saying "Omicron is definitely not milder", just that there's no evidence CURRENTLY to say that it is with confidence

the comical thing about all this is that the one thing we DO know is that omicron spreads so fast we are definitely gonna know one way or the other about its severity profile two weeks from now, so a huge amount of ink is being wasted arguing about it right now.

OK I guess not really "wasted"; certain aspects of policy response that have to be decided right now do depend on the answer to this question, I guess.

Not just so fast but apparently so easily, given the number of tales I've heard of even boosted people catching it. If you've gotten vaccinated, you've been boostered, and you wear a mask and you are reasonably cautious and it still breaks through, albeit with anecdotally mild symptoms, what else can you do?

Then again, as I understand it the majority of cases locally here have still been delta.

xxpost the thing that annoys me about that are all of the assholes who are like "WHY DON'T WE KNOW YET? OUR LEADERS NEED THIS INFORMATION TO ACT", as if we should wait until we know everything about Omicron before planning to deal with it.

the same people who scream "WHY DON'T WE KNOW WHERE THIS HURRICANE IS GOING YET, LIVES DEPEND ON IT" as if getting warning 5+ days in advance that your area might get hit isn't giving you ample time to prepare and evacuate if you need to, as opposed to waiting until the last minute to find out GPS coordinates for what street the hurricane is going to traipse down

i almost certainly have omicron - i live in london, where it’s rapidly taking over, i’ve been vaxxed and boosted and previously infected with the OG strain - yet my family members continue to test negative, with zero symptoms, including my mother in law who’s supposedly, ha ha, ha ha ha, going back to france on sunday, hahaha.

My wife (elementary school librarian) got new guidance on quarantining. It doesn't actually go into effect until mid-January, though!

btw could we have a new thread at some point? There's over 15k posts in this one!

― kinder, Friday, 17 December 2021 16:25 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have a more radical solution to this, something along the lines of a circuit breaker where our "top" ten covid posters maybe take a two week break from blogging here idk

honestly if someone wants to threadban me from this thread, I would welcome it. I can't seem to stop myself, like a bad habit.

ha ha wait is this me

I have a more radical solution to this, something along the lines of a circuit breaker where our "top" ten covid posters maybe take a two week break from blogging here idk

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warehouse-13-artifact-database/images/8/80/Mccarthy_holding_list.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151221030058

Goddam it.
https://progressive.org/downloads/5270/download/Screen%20Shot%202017-01-03%20at%209.48.56%20AM.png?cb=c4a7db57c9e999ed5e304327da730ae3&w=640

(That's two posts, will that count against me?)

Undoubtedly

I’ll gladly « top » you all

#paymentfortoptenposters

I have a more radical solution to this, something along the lines of a circuit breaker where our "top" ten covid posters maybe take a two week break from blogging here idk

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 17 December 2021 bookmarkflaglink

rude imo

Guys, this looks really bad

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/262547195_254942183371341_4903698113448173654_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=bTDZ6vpffxsAX8QZWD0&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=03_AVKowKYNwxek7NkQ9AY1ot5-rdjbxWNObqDOAsh8NYKV1A&oe=61E1A18F

is that my posting frequency

That looks like my kid's homework.

She's done the projections, and it's even worse than we thought:
https://i.imgur.com/xbTsj9B.jpg

personally i'm taking the same approach to man alive's posts that he takes to good faith attempts to answer that same question he asks every two weeks, i.e. ignoring.

New York Reports Over 20,000 Covid-19 Cases, New Daily High

gonna post this very sane advice from former ILXor kate78:

"Hi friends! The number of deaths from COVID-19 surpassed 800k in the US yesterday, the very same day the UK had reported their highest number of cases ever (and that's *without* counting any reinfections) and some of you have been asking questions. My answers and thoughts:
On a scale of 1-10? As of today, I'm at about a 6.5 on omicron. I was 5.5 on Sunday and last week I was a 4.

If it's been 6 months since your last vaccination, yes, go get boosted now, don't wait. Yes, you can mix and match, but take what you can get. Appointments are getting scarce again; as ever, let me know if you need help tracking one down.

I know everyone's collected an array of cute cloth masks, but it's time to upgrade your game to an N95, KN95, or KF94. You can still wear the cloth masks over 'em. Find some here: https://www.projectn95.org/

Because it takes a few weeks for the data to catch up, the jury is still out on what exactly Omicron will do and how well current treatments and vaccines will end up working. While the picture becomes clearer every day, it doesn't look like we're gonna have a very fun winter. We do not yet know whether omicron is "the virus getting milder" or if this is what infection looks like within a highly immunized population. They're different things and it's probably the latter. Omicron is likely not milder in the unvaccinated (which includes little kids) or those with waning immunity (which includes older people).

But what does "milder" even mean? If you're vaccinated and you catch it, you will almost certainly fare better than if you were unvaccinated. However, lots of people with long COVID have had mild cases and we still know frighteningly little about just what the fuck is going on there (if I can look into my crystal ball for a sec, I think we're still years away from being able to assess the full extent of the long-term damage being done--physically, cognitively, neurologically, especially in kids--and we'll look back on this pandemic as a mass-disabling event).

Omicron really seems to be so much more infectious than previous variants and a variant that spreads more rapidly, even if it's "milder", has the opportunity to cause many more deaths and overwhelm the medical system. In the UK and Denmark, cases are doubling about every one and a half days, an almost perfect example of an exponential increase (schools there have begun to close early for the holiday break). If you get this, you will likely pass it along to other people, some of whom the infection will not be so mild. I really wish we could get away from some of the "whatever, it'll be mild, what me worry?" that I've been seeing. Your personal risk isn't the only thing that matters here.

Seattle, you are doing so much better than most other places on Earth right now: we wear masks, our adult vaccination rate is over 85%, and we only hang out indoors with other vaccinated folks, please continue to rock on. HOWEVER, omicron is circulating in the community, even among the vaccinated. Make good choices. Download the WA Notify app.

Some suggestions: swing by the drugstore and pick up some COVID tests to have on hand. These are very good at telling you if you're positive and less good at telling you if you're negative, but they're better than nothing. If you are planning on being in a crowd for the holidays, take it immediately prior to walking into the event. If you happen to test positive, the only place you should think of going is to get a PCR test. I only mention this because if you end up experiencing long-COVID symptoms, it might be helpful for future treatment to have an official test result with your name on it (for insurance or, god forbid, a disability claim). Obviously, if you are feeling at all unwell, take a test and isolate, even if you think it's just a cold. Data from the Zoe COVID symptom tracker study has indicated that people in London who are reporting typical cold symptoms are more likely to have COVID than a cold. Don't get on a plane if you can avoid it and maybe don't go to that holiday work potluck. Parents, perhaps you should prepare for a return to virtual learning for a bit.

As for my plans, I've starting shrinking my world for the winter: reducing my contacts, avoiding crowds, and not doing stuff like dining indoors. I've only been to one indoor rock show (back in September) and the next one I have tickets to is in March. I am not traveling for pleasure and have stopped traveling for work for the time being. International travel hasn't been a good idea since March of last year and remains not a good idea.

All usual and customary caveats apply! This post will probably be obsolete in a matter of days, if not hours! Hope this has helped a little and not freaked you out too much. Happy holiday and good luck! xoxo"

Epidemic curve in Johannesburg/Pretoria that was straight up and continues straight down suggests we’re missing something fundamental about variant. Either attack rate is narrowed to sub segment of population, we’re undercounting mild or asymptomatic infections, or something else pic.twitter.com/CBOZweAlcL

— Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD) December 17, 2021

xpost good post, thanks for that

yr welcome!

addendum to the Gottlieb thing I just posted

boston sewer tracker shows the same pic.twitter.com/IjpZvCcgyl

— alex lanstein (@alex_lanstein) December 17, 2021

they should make the graph a little more brown

good post and this is a good point:

If you happen to test positive, the only place you should think of going is to get a PCR test. I only mention this because if you end up experiencing long-COVID symptoms, it might be helpful for future treatment to have an official test result with your name on it (for insurance or, god forbid, a disability claim).

i kinda thought that went without saying but realizing a lot of health messaging has been poor so very good suggestion, adn I hadn't thought of the latter reasoning for it.

it hadn't occurred to me but i'm newish here and haven't internalized how hostile the health insurance system is.

Ah, well, nevertheless https://t.co/erKTro7w7q pic.twitter.com/r2hGUbIvAZ

— marc tracy (@marcatracy) December 17, 2021

as a lifelong American with a lot of contact with the healthcare system, I cannot stress enough how much this system hates you, personally, and is only interested in how much money it can extract from you and your silly desire to live

i got a little preview when they sent me a bill for quarter of a million dollars after my son was born, while he was in the NICU, and i had to spend 2 hours on the phone pointing out they had a typo in his name so he was covered by my insurance. good system.

jesus

i didn't have a quarter of a million dollars btw

is the us a dystopia??????????????

why aren't millennials having children?!!?!?!?

my cousin got a NICU bill for ~$650,000! incredible, luv 2 B free

I got one of those NICU bills as well after my son was in there for 10 days. Terrifying

The pre-insurance bill for my son's C-section birth was definitely north of a quarter mil.

jesus christ

so scary

one one level, https://www.amazon.com/American-Sickness-Healthcare-Became-Business/dp/1594206759 is a great book that identifies the problems and incremental solutions (and how to navigate it in the meantime). recommended for anyone using the US health system! on another level, i read it and was like "you all must be out of your fucking minds".

I think we all just want and need a strong guarantee that more and more corporations will be there to take larger cuts from our inevitable health problems as we age. it isn't much to ask for some security - for those companies.

Come on, don't be so selfish, you pay that $650,000 so that others only have to pay half that.

I can see why they want to bam abortion at those prices

You should see how much *keeping* kids cost.

hey, be nice to those kids. someday they'll be paying the $1.4M bill to keep your old ass alive for a couple more years

i want to be clear that i think everyone's ass here is old, especially my own