outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

And part of the problem is that in places with high vax rates of students and teachers, getting rid of mask requirements makes people in places with low vax rates of students and teachers think that they can get rid of mask requirements, too.

Perhaps you didn't read the first sentence of my post, caek.

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, February 8, 2022 12:15 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i read your post. i'm genuinely asking if the only reason you're in favor of masking in schools is low vaccination rates. man alive will likely post soon if you want someone to fight with.

Very cool to see ILX follow every other board down the path of people shouting past each other about kids and masks.

caek, as far as I'm concerned, yes—

As in, if certain percentage thresholds are reached for both teachers, school workers, and students, then I don't see why masks are necessary.

But because of people not vaccinating themselves or their kids, the situation becomes tricky very quickly— people who are doing the right thing in low-vax areas want what those high-vax areas have, and are becoming frustrated. I get that.

But that doesn't mean that masks should be abandoned—

then asking teachers to risk their lives every day

No one is asking the teachers to risk their lives. They have access to the vaccine and the booster. A boosted person who is not SEVERELY immunocompromised has basically zero risk of death.

And part of the problem is that in places with high vax rates of students and teachers, getting rid of mask requirements makes people in places with low vax rates of students and teachers think that they can get rid of mask requirements, too.

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, February 8, 2022 12:17 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Also, I'm not going to accept "we need to set a good example for the anti-maskers in other districts" as a basis for public policy affecting children, and I really doubt it makes a difference in that regard.

I truly don't give a shit about your kids, man alive.

Like literally for the past year, all you've been doing is whining about how your kids have to wear masks, fuck the teachers and the wider community.

It's clear that you don't give a shit about who teaches your kids, or your wider community, so I just don't give a shit what you say about anything anymore.

It's pretty clear to me you don't give a shit about kids at all

lol what

man alive, you return to this thread as if you think the answers will change. Find another message board where this topic trends and get your jollies there.

As in, if certain percentage thresholds are reached for both teachers, school workers, and students, then I don't see why masks are necessary.

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, February 8, 2022 12:32 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

👍🏻

fwiw LAUSD is dropping the masking requirement *outdoors* if a school has a vaccination rate over 80%, as a treat.

drawing the line at 95% CI (i.e. "two standard deviations") is a convention that has been in place for like 200 years.

least important issue in the thread, but what the hell, it's ILX, this convention is due to Fisher and is not quite 100 years old

http://www.jerrydallal.com/lhsp/p05.htm

here's some wholesome content

FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee will meet on February 15 to review data on Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA vaccine for children 6 months through 4 years of age. https://t.co/8G2dxKU8aQ

— James E.K. Hildreth (@JamesEKHildreth) February 7, 2022

assuming this happens, my kids are getting dose #1 this month, dose #2 next month and dose ~3 around may/june. the the oldest one has the following todo list: candy factory store (we bike past a candy factory every day, it's torture for him), ride metro to dino museum, go up a skyscraper. the youngest one is 2 and has never been in a store or met 1/2 his grandparents.

haha fair xp

https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/researchers-confirm-newly-developed-inhaled-vaccine-delivers-broad-protection-against-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern/

Because inhaled vaccines target the lungs and upper airways where respiratory viruses first enter the body, they are far more effective at inducing a protective immune response, the researchers report.

dope. can't wait for those to be available, that would be a gamechanger.

No one is asking the teachers to risk their lives. They have access to the vaccine and the booster. A boosted person who is not SEVERELY immunocompromised has basically zero risk of death.

This is too binary. You are missing the real difference between risking your life and risking your death. Substantial changes to your state of health can change the entire course of your life for the worse.

While half a million people around the world have died of covid-19 since the omicron variant of the coronavirus was first detected in November, President Biden’s top medical adviser says the United States is exiting “the full-blown pandemic phase” of the coronavirus crisis.

It’s a sobering statistic — and a reminder of the pandemic’s ongoing toll even as cases start to decline in nearly every U.S. state.

About 100,000 of the deaths since omicron was declared a “variant of concern” occurred in the United States, the World Health Organization said Tuesday. WHO incident manager Abdi Mahamud said in an online Q&A session said the death toll is “tragic” given the availability of “effective vaccines.” He said there have been 130 million reported cases of the coronavirus globally since omicron.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/09/omicron-covid-deaths-fauci-pandemic/

500,000 omicron deaths worldwide, with 100,000 in the USA. 20% of the deaths, 4% of the deaths, greatest country in the world

sorry, 20% of the deaths, 4% of the population, i meant.

typos are amazing when you're talking about hundreds of thousands of deaths

never wanna hear about American exceptionalism ever again, although I guess we were exceptional at dying

This is too binary. You are missing the real difference between risking your life and risking your death. Substantial changes to your state of health can change the entire course of your life for the worse.

^This is hilarious. "Risking your life" literally means to risk death.

Regardless of what the phrase "literally means," it's true that teaching is a profession that comes with some serious health risks, and Covid, even with vaccines, adds to them.

Glad to bring a bit of hilarity into your life. Now go out and do something that simply puts you at high risk of going blind, because hey, it's not like I'm asking you to risk your life, eh?

Is there any data on the risk of severe long term symptoms for a vaxed person (not to speak of boosted, which I assume is too recent a phenomenon to have good data)?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00177-5

Researchers in Israel report that people who have had both SARS-CoV-2 infection and doses of Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine were much less likely to report any of a range of common long-COVID symptoms than were people who were unvaccinated when infected. In fact, vaccinated people were no more likely to report symptoms than people who’d never caught SARS-CoV-2.

Admittedly not peer-reviewed yet. But Nature is a reputable journal.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/02/08/did-covid-19-cure-this-persons-cancer/?sh=82340264217f

It's a rule (which probably has a name) that when any headline is in the form of a question, the correct answer is 'no'.

Beveridge's Law

The answer (no) will shock you

It's a rule (which probably has a name) that when any headline is in the form of a question, the correct answer is 'no'.

feel like that clickbait tactic had faded a bit in recent years ,and is back in full force now.

did this clickbait tactic go away when everyone figured out it was annoying?

i found a FB status I wrote like 9 years ago bitching about this lol

Betteridge's Law, not Beveridge

Mr. Betteridge thanks you. (writes note on hand in ink)

It's a rule (which probably has a name) that when any headline is in the form of a question, the correct answer is 'no'.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 10 February 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Knew this link was going to bring in the goods.

^I believe this is normally called "trolling".

Named for Gustave Troll, a French phrenologist and companion of Verlaine's.

^I believe this is normally called "trolling".

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 11 February 2022 bookmarkflaglink

I believe you are farting again.

projection is pretty amazing stuff

I lucid dreamed a fart

-Maynard James Keenan

jfc

Pfizer-BioNTech & @US_FDA have shelved the idea of authorizing #Covid vaccine for children under 5 before having data on the 3rd dose. https://t.co/epi2kW65OZ

— Helen Branswell (@HelenBranswell) February 11, 2022

well, science!

everybody gets justifiably nervous when it comes to little kids and no one wants to be the fall guy if something goes wrong

early february: let's announce a plan to publicly review the data so far on feb 15
feb 11: hang on

great stuff